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On caring for user data: NeoVim caused Vim undo files to be deleted

384 points · 346 comments · jandeboevrie

natbennett · 1790522271 · focus · HN ↗
I was also a very early user of Neovim.
The way I personally remember it being positioned was “Vim, but with breaking changes.”
1. tmp_throwaway_q · 1790524415 · focus · HN ↗
  Yeah, this hasn't been a problem since forever (or at least I haven't noticed). They had to break the undo file format a while ago to actually work correctly for byte-level buffer change events (very important for tree sitter and other plugins listening for buffer changes). The undo file format is versioned, too, so it's not just YOLO'd; Neovim has since forever returned an error saying there's a version incompatibility. The outrage here doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
  The original author of this post (on Mastodon) appears to have a bone to pick with Neovim since it's "platforming white supremacists"? I couldn't figure out what this meant. Some sort of internet drama I guess.
  1. mikestew · 1790524662 · focus · HN ↗
    The “drama” was linked in TFA:
    <a href="https://github.com/neovim/neovim.github.io/issues/501" rel="nofollow">https://github.com/neovim/neovim.github.io/issues/501
    tmp_throwaway_q · 1790525320 · focus · HN ↗
    Gotta be honest, this seems like making a mountain out of a molehill. Yeah, DHH is an awful person. His endorsement was removed from the page pretty quickly, but of course not fast enough to avoid the social media mob handing down their verdict upon the thankless maintainers. I sympathize with the Neovim developer in that thread, the driveby Github commenters with seemingly no other involvement in the project are some of the least well-socialized people alive.
    manvillej · 1790525895 · focus · HN ↗
    To be fair, it’s not hard to say “white supremacy is bad and I’m not cool with it”
    It took me only 10 seconds to write.
    tmp_throwaway_q · 1790525994 · focus · HN ↗
    It's also hard to stay cool and agree with the mob dogpiling you over (tbh) a triviality. Anyone who's had to have difficult conversations in the real world knows that. I'm not going to expect people to respond in the best way to such things (easy to project this expectation when you're an anonymous name in the crowd, though).
    kelnos · 1790549393 · focus · HN ↗
    There wasn't dogpiling at first. The maintainer was the first person to reply to the initial issue report, and they were dismissive, defensive, and accused the person who opened the issue of bad faith.
    All of that was uncalled-for and unnecessary, and then the dogpiling started.

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