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Fragment of oldest known peace treaty found in Turkey

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doebler · 1790533920 · focus · HN ↗
> The country of Egypt and the country of Hatti [Hittite Empire] will be forever in a state of peace.
Wonder how long it lasted?
Edit: turns out it lasted until the Hittite empire collapsed 80 years later, so in a sense indeed "forever".
1. wahern · 1790534967 · focus · HN ↗
  FWIW, the longest peace treaty lasted approximately 700 years: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baqt" rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baqt
  1. domh · 1790537522 · focus · HN ↗
    The longest alliance still in force is the Anglo-Portuguese alliance which was signed in 1386!
    <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Portuguese_Alliance" rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Portuguese_Alliance
    wahern · 1790569210 · focus · HN ↗
    Good one. Not quite the same thing, but Saint Catherine's Monastery in the Sinai Peninsula claims to hold a treaty or covenant specifically guaranteeing their protection, signed by and possibly given to them in person by Muhammad: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashtiname_of_Muhammad" rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashtiname_of_Muhammad That would make it over 1400 years old. The authenticity is disputed, both whether it's original and whether it was given to them specifically, though AFAIU it's well known that Muhammad gave out that type of thing to various groups, for example Yemeni Christians (perhaps as a hedge to prevent the Aksumite/Ethiopian Empire coming to their defense). Nonetheless, it seems to have been honored, albeit sometimes half heartedly, for most of the time since. The ironic thing is the greatest threat to its continuance is the nominally secular Egyptian state, which in its secularity perhaps feels less obliged, notwithstanding the motivation to infringe upon the monastery's autonomy obviously arises from the Islamic culture and pressure groups.
pfdietz · 1790535453 · focus · HN ↗
Egypt and the Hittites were now concerned with the rise of Assyria.
All would suffer in the late Bronze Age collapse (LBA), with the Hittite empire collapsing soon after a string of three drought years about half a century after the treaty. Egypt and Assyria, at least, would persist in truncated form, with the latter rising to new heights of power in the Iron Age.
JoeAltmaier · 1790537432 · focus · HN ↗
Note the Treaty of Ebla and Abarsal, from about 2350 BCE, exists in scores of clauses on a tablet.
1. canjobear · 1790549533 · focus · HN ↗
  This is just the oldest one found in Turkey
Razengan · 1790543749 · focus · HN ↗
Somewhat in the similar vein: Irving Finkel reads the Pharaoh's private mail (from the -14th century) :
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MZq_ZQDhJA" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MZq_ZQDhJA
potatosalad99 · 1790545349 · focus · HN ↗
I remember this campaign from Age of Empires
cloudbonsai · 1790547672 · focus · HN ↗
Full text of the treaty: <a href="https://corum.ktb.gov.tr/EN-61494/kadesh-war-and-peace-treaty.html" rel="nofollow">https://corum.ktb.gov.tr/EN-61494/kadesh-war-and-peace-treat...
It reads more like a military alliance agreement between kings:
1. Reamasesa-Mai-amana (King of Egypt) and Hattusili (King of Hatti) are best friends forever.
2. If a foreign country invaded one of us, the other one must send his troops.
3. Dotto with civil wars. We help each other.
4. If an important person flees from Egypt or Hatti, send the bastard back.
5. If people flee from Hatti to Egypt, order them back. Do not retaliate against returnees, though. No pulling eyes/tongues. No cutting feet/ears. No destroying wives/houses/kids. Please.
1. pedrosbmartins · 1790584205 · focus · HN ↗
  Number 4 is particularly interesting. Before Hattusili, the Hittite empire was ruled by his nephew, Mursili III. He was deposed by his uncle and exiled, first to Syria then to Egypt. He posed a great threat to Hattusili's rule, so of course the treaty had to include an extradition clause.
senderista · 1790563344 · focus · HN ↗
Related:
<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amarna_letters" rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amarna_letters
[deleted] · 1790569323 · focus · HN ↗
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Yevini · 1790586955 · focus · HN ↗
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