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Unsealed Briefs in Authors’ Case v. Microsoft/OpenAI

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  1. handoflixue · · focus · HN ↗
    It's wild how much weight "they're destroying jobs" has.

    I dare say that car manufacturers are aware of their impact on the horse and buggy industry. Calculator manufacturers wrecked the livelihood of mathematicians and accountants.

    Technology is in the business of putting people out of work, by inventing better ways of doing things. Or rather, any time you invent a better way of doing things, that's fundamentally going to disrupt all the businesses built around older technologies.

    1. anakaine · · focus · HN ↗
      The issue is the breadth of scale. At the time of the industrial revolution those who we would consider knowledge workers were a much smaller percentage of the population. Today, they are a significant part of the workforce, and it is them who are being displaced first, and in increasing numbers.

      The second issue is one of migration between skill sets. By the numbers, today is likely harder as non Ai-affected skilled professions take longer to train into in a general sense.

      The third is the synthesis of AI and robotics. Humanoid help is good. As the Venn diagram overlap of capabilities between humans and humanoid robots increases, many professions defined by complex vision and environmental manipulation that are currently safe will not be.

      There are, of course, upsides. But the world is right to wonder what the future looks like, and where people fit within that future in terms of earning an income if whatever path they choose seems to be able to be replaced by a machine within their lifetime. How do they achieve personal stability and safety if, even when thinking about their multitude of career options, the machines are so good that they can do almost anything.

      1. ChickeNES · · focus · HN ↗
        Personally I dream of the end of all human labor.
        1. impossiblefork · · focus · HN ↗
          So, how will you ensure that you have some influence over the world or power, if all human labour ends?

          That scenario is precarious. Dangerous as fuck. I have a short story, basically a horror Isekai, portal goes straight into a place like Sarek or similar pretty northern fell landscape, only full of bears and savages. I think my protagonists are safer in that, than the average human in your scenario.

          1. ChickeNES · · focus · HN ↗
            > So, how will you ensure that you have some influence over the world or power, if all human labour ends?

            I don't want influence or power. Don't know what your short story has to do with anything, frankly a bizarre comparison to make.

            1. impossiblefork · · focus · HN ↗
              If you don't have power, somebody else gets it, and then they have that power over you.
            2. well_ackshually · · focus · HN ↗
              Wish granted! You no longer have any influence or power! Zaibatsu Heavy Industries has now built a gigafactory that's taking over half of your backyard, is piping their fumes directly into your house. Your mayor's office is not responding to your calls, and their private security forces are preventing you from even going outside because it is now a high risk area.
              1. ChickeNES · · focus · HN ↗
                I’m describing luxury space communism, I don’t know what you’re on about.
                1. well_ackshually · · focus · HN ↗
                  FALGSC doesn't happen without a fight for power. FALGSC as presented in Star Trek or literally any fiction _still_ has power struggles and people getting fucked. The only way you enforce a lack of influence and power is with a higher force ensuring you do, which is then the sole holder of influence and power.

                  Also, you're describing a fantasy. Something that isn't happening in your lifetime. Maybe now would be time to wake up before Zaibatsu builds a gigafactory in your backyard.

                  1. ChickeNES · · focus · HN ↗
                    I don’t assume a fight for power to be necessary, at least one on a level that would stall or end human progress. And you’re the one applying a fictional world’s history to ours, I’m merely using it as a cultural metaphor (substituting Fully Automated Luxury Space Communism for Star Trek was supposed to show I was using it as a reference point, not a template to follow). And I never said in my lifetime?

                    Also, I dropped the “gay” to be inclusive, and not just to heteros, bi, ace, pan, or hell, people who just don’t identify as anything.

            3. maomao5 · · focus · HN ↗

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