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1. swingboy · 1790453818 · focus · HN ↗

   Is there a lab more innovative than DeepSeek? Imagine if they had the same compute resources that Anthropic and OpenAI have.

   1. SmartestUnknown · 1790456406 · focus · HN ↗

      Just because other companies don't write papers about what they do doesn't mean they aren't innovative...

      1. doc_ick · 1790456921 · focus · HN ↗

         Sure, but we’ll never know what they do or if it is innovate because we won’t know what they do.

         1. azinman2 · 1790486487 · focus · HN ↗

            Well we do know the results. They’ve been at the frontier constantly, including developing the entire field and set of capabilities. In the beginning every OpenAI paper was basically a landmark.

            1. doc_ick · 1790487608 · focus · HN ↗

               They were at the frontier early since they allegedly “stole” the internets data first. Now they’re just lame ducks trying to ensure they stay at the top by legislation and ensuring open source doesn’t get its say. Also OpenAI trying to adopt any other product (legal tooling, healthcare, latex replacement, etc…).

               1. azinman2 · 1790488407 · focus · HN ↗

                  They were at the frontier because they invented many of the techniques. Google already had the internet’s data well beforehand. Anthropic and OpenAI are still at the frontier today, independent of legislation.

                  1. doc_ick · 1790490510 · focus · HN ↗

                     Oh no I agree, they were among the first to be popular in the llm frontier with their techniques. Today they are only holding on to the frontier because of that lead.

                     They want the legislature to keep their lead from other competitors.

      2. broodbucket · 1790461462 · focus · HN ↗

         I'm actually the most innovative, I've written thousands of papers advancing the state of human knowledge. They're just in my basement and I don't show anyone.

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