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Japan moves to tighten rules for foreigners

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  1. skeledrew · · focus · HN ↗
    Doesn't seem they're really aware that they're something of an endangered "species". Although technically they'd still be endangered even if they open up seriously, as then there's heightened possibility of bloodline dilution. I wonder sometimes if that'd be a good or bad thing in the long run: loss of that which makes them pretty unique vs blending more with the world.
    1. walrus01 · · focus · HN ↗
      > heightened possibility of bloodline dilution

      In my experience, born/raised in Japan, domestic Japanese people have a very different reaction to local "Hafu" people where one of their parents is a Caucasian person from the US, UK, AU, NZ (or similar), vs "other" countries.

      <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;H%C4%81fu" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;H%C4%81fu

      1. skeledrew · · focus · HN ↗
        Colonial mentalities carry on for decades.
        1. Macha · · focus · HN ↗
          I mean, Japan&#x27;s experience with colonialism was decidedly on the colonist side: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Greater_East_Asia_Co-Prosperity_Sphere" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Greater_East_Asia_Co-Prosperit...
          1. walrus01 · · focus · HN ↗
            That, and things like being an enthusiastic and early customer of British industrial&#x2F;steam powered equipment in what we would broadly call the Victorian era. The early Japanese pre-dreadnought and dreadnought class battleships, for instance, were a clear descendent of British (or competing French) designs. Railway stuff as well. Lots of things that weren&#x27;t British origin were American.
        2. walrus01 · · focus · HN ↗
          I have a personal unscientific theory that some of it, domestically within Japan, is as simple as a heightened degree of racism towards people with darker skin color.
          1. skeledrew · · focus · HN ↗
            From research I&#x27;ve learned that placing a high value on blending in is a cultural thing. There&#x27;s the resulting good, like the focus on harmony which promotes good relationships (and is a major contributor to the low crime rate), and there&#x27;s the bad, like spurning those who look&#x2F;speak different (I&#x27;ve heard stories from a few who went to visit seeing signs that gaijin aren&#x27;t allowed in certain establishments, etc).
            1. walrus01 · · focus · HN ↗
              &gt; (I&#x27;ve heard stories from a few who went to visit seeing signs that gaijin aren&#x27;t allowed in certain establishments, etc)

              I&#x27;ve heard stories more specifically that certain type of gaijin were allowed in certain gaijin-suspicious establishments (US&#x2F;UK&#x2F;Canadian tourists), while their counterparts of Indian, Bangladeshi descent were not.

    2. coralreef · · focus · HN ↗
      “Bloodline dilution” is only a thing if you believe your race is superior.
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      2. skeledrew · · focus · HN ↗
        I&#x27;m pretty sure there are many non-Japanese who&#x27;re attracted to Japanese primarily because of their homogeneity.
        1. coralreef · · focus · HN ↗
          You mean western dudes who fetishize&#x2F;exotify eastern women?
          1. zergrush · · focus · HN ↗
            Korean men and Japanese women make up the biggest share of international marriages in Japan so there&#x27;s something more going on here that makes Japanese women highly desirable to men in general.
            1. coralreef · · focus · HN ↗
              2016 <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nippon.com&#x2F;en&#x2F;features&#x2F;h00174&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nippon.com&#x2F;en&#x2F;features&#x2F;h00174&#x2F;

              ~70% of int&#x27;l marriages in Japan are Japanese men + foreign brides.

              Of the women marrying foreign husbands, 25.7% Korean, next is 16.7% American, then 12.5% Chinese.

      3. stainablesteel · · focus · HN ↗
        or if you just care about your race, which is a normal thing to do

        it&#x27;s an extended family of sorts

        1. coralreef · · focus · HN ↗
          If the extended family incorporates other races, does it stop being extended family?
          1. stainablesteel · · focus · HN ↗
            there&#x27;s a difference between an individual family changing its composition because it has an interracial marriage, and an entire country needing to do so just because they&#x27;ve taken in immigrants
            1. coralreef · · focus · HN ↗
              why would the entire country be &quot;needing&quot; to change its composition?
      4. whtmaisdas2 · · focus · HN ↗

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    3. duhher4 · · focus · HN ↗

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      1. LtWorf · · focus · HN ↗
        What happened to the swedes? I&#x27;m in sweden right now and there&#x27;s no zombie apocalypse or anything weird going on…
        1. retinaros · · focus · HN ↗
          One of the thousands of changes <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Bombings_in_Sweden" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Bombings_in_Sweden Or <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Rape_in_Sweden" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Rape_in_Sweden
          1. LtWorf · · focus · HN ↗
            Now compare those with any USA town and you won&#x27;t even see a pixel on the chart.

            The rape definition in Sweden is extremely broad. If you had read your own link you&#x27;d know <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Rape_in_Sweden#Unreliable_data_for_cross-national_comparison" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Rape_in_Sweden#Unreliable_data...

            1. retinaros · · focus · HN ↗
              and for the bombs? its also a pixel on your chart? a pixel that didnt exist before right?
              1. LtWorf · · focus · HN ↗
                Where is the comparison with USA link? You are so full of links and yet miss that one? How odd…
                1. retinaros · · focus · HN ↗
                  I dont care USA it had mass immigration from the third world for decades before sweden. Compare the numbers of bombs and crime between sweden and japan&#x2F;korea to see something interesting
                  1. LtWorf · · focus · HN ↗
                    Isn&#x27;t japan the country where you can kidnap and torture and kill a woman and not go to jail?

                    Yeah i think they have low crime because of their interesting definitions of what a crime is.

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