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Plunging test scores are a slow-moving catastrophe

207 points · 414 comments · vinni2

  1. cs702 · · focus · HN ↗
    Isn't education the best antidote we have against misinformation, against ignorance, against hateful ideologies, against our least civilized impulses?

    Is it possible to have a civilization that works well, with institutions that work well, if the population is poorly educated?

    Sigh.

    1. maomao5 · · focus · HN ↗

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    2. frogperson · · focus · HN ↗
      Many, many times through out history knowledge and education have been destroyed to prop up some group that want to rule.
    3. boelboel · · focus · HN ↗
      Better chance it's the reverse, civilized societies end up educating people.
      1. cs702 · · focus · HN ↗
        I think it's both, in a virtuous cycle:

        Educated people make societies more civilized, and they in turn invest to educate more people.

        Unless there's a catastrophe. In that case all bets are off.

        1. boelboel · · focus · HN ↗
          Yeah it's a bit of both but there's quite some societies which were educated and turned uncivilized or where you have an educated elite that's not really civilized/interested in civilising. Meanwhile pretty much all civilized populations end up educating people,I don't think I've seen a counter example.

          It's a lot easier to educate a decent portion of society than create a society that's civilized as a whole. And I think the latter is more important for keeping things running long term which is grim.

    4. cvwright · · focus · HN ↗
      The counterpoint to this is that early 20th century Germany was one of the most advanced, sophisticated, and educated countries in the world.

      In fact the genocide only stopped when a bunch of unsophisticated American (and Russian) farmboys rolled in.

      1. cs702 · · focus · HN ↗
        > was one of the most advanced, sophisticated, and educated countries in the world

        It was also an economic disaster. Surely that contributed.

        1. t0mpr1c3 · · focus · HN ↗
          WWI was the cataclysm that destroyed the global economy.

          (Its aftermath was a necessary transition, that happened to be disastrously mismanaged.)

          The current proponents of new "realism" who claim that regional empires will co-exist in peace would do well to study the causes of WWI.

    5. juanani · · focus · HN ↗

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