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OpenAI bots meddled with multiple US Government agency sites

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  1. gizajob · · focus · HN ↗
    Getting bored of these framings where the superintelligent sentient beings running freely inside OpenAI are doing things that the company has no control over. The headline should be:

    OpenAI meddled with multiple US Government agency sites.

    The bots are acting neither properly nor improperly, they’re acting as they’re being allowed or coordinated to act.

    1. theptip · · focus · HN ↗
      Curious, why do you find it so objectionable to state that OpenAI has out-of-control agents?
      1. pfortuny · · focus · HN ↗
        Because egress firewalls have existed since way before "ai" and are very easy to set up.
        1. theptip · · focus · HN ↗
          But that’s an objection that OpenAI should take some easy action, the framing that OpenAI has out of control agents is still true.

          Seems you think there is a silent “…and there is nothing they can do about it” after “OpenAI has rogue agents”?

          1. delecti · · focus · HN ↗
            The framing is important. Agency and responsibility lies with the humans at OpenAI, not with the bots.

            If your kid steals your car, punish them and try to prevent it from happening again. If your kid steals your car a half-dozen times, crashing through a storefront each time, and you still leave the keys out, the story changes. At that point, negligence becomes complicity.

            1. theptip · · focus · HN ↗
              Yes, of course, how is any of this incompatible with OpenAI having out-of-control agents?
              1. afro88 · · focus · HN ↗
                Agents are out of control by default, especially during a training run, which is why when they are productionised into cloud hosts or even local harnesses they have external guardrails in place

                In other words, I have a gun that shoots bullets. It's up to me to use it responsibly and legally.

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