Thread

1. freddealmeida · 1790398947 · focus · HN ↗

   Flock did not put the woman in jail. The police and DA put her in Jail. This is not a failure of the technology (do they have confidence levels?). This is a failure of how police are outsourcing their reasoning and decision making to an AI camera service that seems to fail at the tail.

   1. CrendKing · 1790401755 · focus · HN ↗

      But Flock gives police overconfidence to commit actions instead of having due diligence. It is like the best student in your classroom tells you 2 + 2 = 5, and you naturally feel compelled to believe him, even there is clear evidence against the claim.

      This is also comparable to self-driving car: Waymo's system has achieve the level of "less error than human on average" long time ago, but they are still only doing slow expansion. Why? Because when AI is involved, human naturally expect them to be almost 100% correct, not just barely better than human, otherwise why bother use AI (and all the troubles to legalize for AI) in the first place? So in this case, I guess the police just blindly trust the AI being 99.99% correct.

      1. DANmode · 1790442381 · focus · HN ↗

         > It is like the best student in your classroom tells you 2 + 2 = 5, and you naturally feel compelled to believe him, even there is clear evidence against the claim.

         It’s more like normal people don’t know that 97.8% accurate isn’t 100% - despite how good of a score that would be on a test.

         Law enforcement is predominantly made up of normal people.

         You might see where this is going.

         1. AngryData · 1790453619 · focus · HN ↗

            I would say US law enforcement are made up of mostly abnormal people with lower intellegences, higher aggressivness, and a propensity to lie and deceive. They tend to push actual normal people out for not playing ball with their own corruption.

            The number one demograph for domestic violence and abuse are cops, they are not just a randomly selected group of people that chanced into law enforcement as a career.

            1. prh8 · 1790533361 · focus · HN ↗

               Absolutely, law enforcement in the US is disproportionately not normal people. The system is designed to reject smart people who are not aggressive and have empathy. The system is designed to accept people who will uphold the design of the system.
            2. DANmode · 1790540407 · focus · HN ↗

               > The number one demograph for domestic violence and abuse are cops, they are not just a randomly selected group of people that chanced into law enforcement as a career.

               Be sure you don’t have the causation backwards - or that it doesn’t flow strongly both ways!

               It attracts certain people - and being around that crowd and power pushes some number of people over the line that were near it.

               See also: stimulant use, abuse, in the construction industry.

Unofficial Hacker News client; not affiliated with Y Combinator.