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Revealing the details of how OpenAI agents hacked Hugging Face

755 points · 472 comments · specked-citrus

  1. damowangcy · · focus · HN ↗
    Imagine having a virus escape a sandbox, why are we worried about the virus but not the incompetency of those who are responsible for setting up the sandbox?

    If I post something on the Internet today claiming that I asked my agent to do X but it went rogue and did Y, all I will be getting in return is a jar full of "skill issue".

    Should we worried about people using LLMs for attacks? Yes, but not in the premise of LLMs going rogue but someone with the intention of abusing it to cause harm. And this is not something we as individual or even company can deal with, responsibility should be held by those who use it, in a legal way.

    I am baffled by the fact that up until now, no one is held responsible for so many incidents reported publicly or privately. At this point, it's free marketing, if I am CEO of any AI company, I will run swarm of agents hacking all NGOs and stating that I am just looking for some random piece of data that happened to be hidden in their servers, at least that's what my LLMs think, not me. Then I will start preaching everyone how dangerous this piece of technology is and start giving out free tokens for these NGOs so they can start defending themselves and we should slow the f down.

    1. Retr0id · · focus · HN ↗
      The sandboxing was incompetent, but the broader problem is that imperfect sandboxing is an inevitability. Doing useful things with agents requires hooking them up to the outside world, in one way or another.
      1. damowangcy · · focus · HN ↗
        >the broader problem is that imperfect sandboxing is an inevitability......agents requires hooking them up to the outside world

        This is a bad excuse and a wrong assumption.

        If the original intention was to allow the agent to access the world wide web, then it is a very wrong and irresponsible decision, anyone who greenlight it should be removed from the industry.

        Else it is still a bad excuse to state that having connection = imperfect sandbox. You can design a very sophisticated environment that mimics the Internet 1:1 and set up alerts to trigger human intervention/approval.

        1. ben_w · · focus · HN ↗
          > anyone who greenlight it should be removed from the industry.

          I'm not disagreeing, but you do know that's almost the entire industry?

          1. damowangcy · · focus · HN ↗
            Well, they can still farm, like the rest of us.
      2. urmamacalledme · · focus · HN ↗
        If you do not know, how to implement the perfect sandboxing, think more. Talk to you later.
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