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Supreme Court permits states to use SAVE database for citizenship checks

79 points · 105 comments · speckx

genxy · 1790365716 · focus · HN ↗
Who is the editor on this article? Why would they expect the reader to know what the SAVE database is and what its original purpose was for?
<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systematic_Alien_Verification_for_Entitlements" rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systematic_Alien_Verification_...
> Systematic Alien Verification for Entitlements (SAVE) is a program managed by United States Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS), a branch of the US Department of Homeland Security (DHS). SAVE was created in 1986 and facilitates lookups on the immigration and nationality status of individuals in the United States.
The wikipedia article is written ambiguously, or they bury the actual purpose of the SAVE database
> a system for verifying the immigration status of non-citizen applicants applying for (medicad, food stamps, unemployment, student loans and housing assistance)
It wasn't designed to be a citizenship database.
<a href="https://apnews.com/article/save-database-noncitizen-voters-trump-supreme-court-412e12f5a492dd20e407812f30f7c139" rel="nofollow">https://apnews.com/article/save-database-noncitizen-voters-t...
<a href="https://www.cbsnews.com/news/supreme-court-trump-save-system-database/" rel="nofollow">https://www.cbsnews.com/news/supreme-court-trump-save-system...
1. gruez · 1790366848 · focus · HN ↗
  >> a system for verifying the immigration status of non-citizen applicants applying for (medicad, food stamps, unemployment, student loans and housing assistance)
  >It wasn't designed to be a citizenship database.
  How's the database used? From what I can tell it's a database of non-citizens that claimed benefits, so using it as a blacklist against voter rolls seems... fine? Even if the original premise of "there's hoards illegal immigrants voting" is questionable.
2. legitster · 1790367554 · focus · HN ↗
  > It wasn't designed to be a citizenship database.
  Constitutionally, states cannot deny citizens the right to vote. So even if they use SAVE to "flag" potential voters, they are still going to have to provide people a way to provide proof of citizenship.
  1. what · 1790373834 · focus · HN ↗
    > Constitutionally, states cannot deny citizens the right to vote
    You sure?
    Citizens currently serving a prison term for the conviction of a felony cannot vote.
    Citizens found mentally incompetent by a court cannot vote.
  2. jjk166 · 1790374575 · focus · HN ↗
    But certain groups are probably more likely than others to need to worry about having to prove their citizenship. You don't need to make it impossible for people to vote, you just need to create enough friction that some of them won't who otherwise would.
  3. krapp · 1790385997 · focus · HN ↗
    >Constitutionally, states cannot deny citizens the right to vote.
    Yes they can. States can deny citizens the right to vote for "participation in rebellion, or other crime", as per the 14th Amendment and felons are often denied the right to vote. They can't do so on the basis of "race, color or former servitude" (15th Amendment) and probably not any other protected class reason (sex, religion, ethnicity) but that implicitly gives states the right to do so for any other reason.

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