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1. haitchfivee · 1790354524 · focus · HN ↗

   My nitpick is with something the author said in passing about Hawking. Yes, around 1970 Hawking and the scientific community at large still used to believe nothing could escape a black hole, and between 1971 and 1973 Hawking along with Penrose and others expanded their evolving understanding and consequences of of Albert Einstein's breakthrough work.

   But then Hawking argued back the opposite case, which in simple terms means that some things can, indeed, escape an event horizon. In fact, name dropping Hawking just to mention his views as they stood before his 1973 work, and his 1974 model of Hawking radiation seems dangerously incomplete journalistic reporting.

   In 1974 Hawking formulated what we now know as Hawking Radiation, which is the *exact opposite* of what was previously believed about the impossibility of anything coming back from a black hole. Whilst still not conclusively proven as a physical fact, this did win him the Special Fundamental Physics Prize in 2013. specifically for his discovery of Hawking radiation from black holes and his deep contributions to quantum gravity and quantum aspects of the early universe.

   1. glenstein · 1790354877 · focus · HN ↗

      I find myself not agreeing with a lot of nitpicks, but this is a good one! The article says "Contrary to what Stephen Hawking argued, black holes are not inescapable prisons." But information escaping black holes is named after him! He definitely, in the full scope of his career, was perfectly agreeable to the idea of information escaping black holes.

      1. parineum · 1790357800 · focus · HN ↗

         Those claims are backwards.

         Hawking found that energy/mass can escape but the information remains destroyed. You can't run a black hole backwards in time and reconstruct the matter that created it and hawking radiation bears no resemblance to anything that was ever beyond the horizon.

         1. glenstein · 1790568650 · focus · HN ↗

            Shucks, you're right. Well, mostly. I misunderstood Hawking radiation as a solution when it actually contributed to the motivation for holding that info was not recoverable. However, he did famously "concede" a bet on the question that he believed was resolved against this belief and it's still the case that his belief by the end of his life was not that it was a "prison" the way the article suggests.

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