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1. ApolloFortyNine · 1790356118 · focus · HN ↗

   I know everyone says this is political but it actually seems like a textbook designation. Anthropic wanted to have rules on how the military used AI, the military said no and therefore doesn't want anthropic used anywhere in their supply line.

   This is like a pen manufacturer not wanting their pens used to sign drone strike orders, now the military needs to have a special box of pens that don't have stipulations attached. With AI usage it would be the same thing except applied to entire product chains. It seems like it would just add more complexity to operations.

   You can agree with the rules anthropic wanted, but having rules set by a private company at all that apply to the military does seem fair for the military to object to.

   >The Department reasonably feared that Anthropic might manipulate Claude’s design to prevent it from performing national-security functions that the Department deems contractually authorized and necessary

   Though they'd probably put the DoD on the cybersecurity whitelist today, the very idea of the claude whitelists for certain functionality already exists and is being used by them today.

   1. sippingabonedry · 1790358153 · focus · HN ↗

      > I know everyone says this is political but it actually seems like a textbook designation

      It literally is a textbook definition, signed into US law:

      “Supply chain risk,” means the risk that an adversary may sabotage, maliciously introduce unwanted function, or otherwise subvert the design, integrity, manufacturing, production, distribution, installation, operation, or maintenance of a covered system so as to surveil, deny, disrupt, or otherwise degrade the function, use, or operation of such system (see 10 U.S.C. 3252).

      To add onto what another commenter said, the pen analogy would be more like the manufacturer designing pens that stopped working when used to sign strike orders they disagreed with.

      1. cmdli · 1790366861 · focus · HN ↗

         Selling a pen labeled "this pen will refuse to sign certain orders" is not sabotage or malicious and is thus not a supply chain risk. The DoD is free to not buy from Anthropic, but designating them as a supply chain risk is incorrect, as well as arguably arbitrary and capricious given their public criticism of Anthropic's beliefs.

         1. rdsubhas · 1790368694 · focus · HN ↗

            The DoD buys from suppliers, who buy from suppliers, and so on. Hence supply chain. Hence supply chain risk.

            1. sippingabonedry · 1790369889 · focus · HN ↗

               You would think that's a surprisingly easy concept to grasp, but many are viewing this through the lens of desired outcome and not reality.

               1. lukan · 1790371841 · focus · HN ↗

                  Supply chain risks are usually when someone does a attack over the supply chain. Like when the mossad planted literally explosives in radio devices for Hezbollah.

                  Antrophic merely said they don't allow their tools to be used for autonomous killing.

                  A very specific case.

                  So where is the danger making it necessary preventing all suppliers from using Claude at all? That only concerns those who work directly on autonomous killing and only they will have to go to Altman or Musk.

                  So none of that is any threat to the military - so it was just black mailing to make them do the governments will - which is something usually dictatorships do, not democratic systems.

                  1. tick_tock_tick · 1790382317 · focus · HN ↗

                     So they confessed to being a supply chain risk themselves and you're still arguing against the designation?

                     Private companies can not be allowed to control what our military does I feel like I'm in a crazy worlds how can people possible be arguing for that.

                     1. DirkH · 1790530089 · focus · HN ↗

                        I can build a super bioweapon that can kill millions and I don't trust the US military to use it responsibly.

                        The US military asks me to build the super bioweapon. I say no thanks, please ask someone else.

                        Am I a supply chain risk?

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