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1. HarHarVeryFunny · 1790354450 · focus · HN ↗

   Supply chain risk seems a massive over-reaction, but understandable that the government doesn't want to commit to Anthropic controlled software for any critical military application if they can't 100% rely on Anthropic support in being able to use it as they see fit.

   1. timcobb · 1790354553 · focus · HN ↗

      > 100% rely on

      that's the mobster-loyalty mentality, and it's not how successful (read: desirable for the most people) governments function

      1. p-e-w · 1790355193 · focus · HN ↗

         Every government on Earth has legislation that allows it to force companies (and citizens) to do its bidding under certain circumstances. That’s pretty much the definition of a government.

         1. pixl97 · 1790355612 · focus · HN ↗

            The point is this not being the first tool in the toolbox. Other competitors have shown they are more than willing to build weapons of death (OpenAI) so as the government you put them as the preferred contractor.

            What the orange turd is going is rather petty bullshit in a market where many options exist.

            1. cindyllm · 1790356834 · focus · HN ↗

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         2. all_factz · 1790356085 · focus · HN ↗

            Then the government should have invoked that legislation.

            1. HarHarVeryFunny · 1790356847 · focus · HN ↗

               They don't need to - there are alternatives, and do you really want to do business with a supplier that is hostile to your needs unless you have to?
            2. CodeWriter23 · 1790357829 · focus · HN ↗

               The DoD is empowered to determine its own supply chain risks by...wait for it...legislation.
            3. p-e-w · 1790383687 · focus · HN ↗

               That’s exactly what happened here, and the judiciary just confirmed that it was indeed done in accordance with the law.
      2. lukewarm707 · 1790356897 · focus · HN ↗

         yes, but anthropic really is an exception.

         it is a bizarre company which also inherits the authoritarian infrastructure of cloud services.

         that is: remote control of the software, spying on customers, etc.

         1. orangecat · 1790361284 · focus · HN ↗

            remote control of the software, spying on customers, etc.

            The military ran Anthropic models on their own infrastructure; Anthropic had no access to it. "They might disable Claude in the middle of an emergency" was never a possibility.

            1. lukewarm707 · 1790365244 · focus · HN ↗

               DOD used claude via palantir. palantir runs on AWS, supposedly DOD IL6.

               anthropic did a prigozhin, got cocky and went behind the DOD's back to palantir and asked them questions about the use of claude.

               a big tyrant does not like to be usurped or undermined by a little tyrant.

               after pissing off the DOD by trying to get palantir to rat out classified deployments, dario went to the pentagon and behaved like himself in front of pete hegseth. anthropic was not going to come back from that.

               fable is on AWS govcloud. but anthropic get the chat logs. specifically section F: [<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.anthropic.com&#x2F;legal&#x2F;service-specific-terms" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.anthropic.com&#x2F;legal&#x2F;service-specific-terms]. this is an anthropic requirement.

               notably, fable is not on IL5 or above. the best you can get is palantir AIP opus 5 in AWS IL5. i suspect, because of anthropic demanding that AWS rat out its customers.

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