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1. Kim_Bruning · 1790344641 · focus · HN ↗

   So currently europe is exposed to russia-ukraine, us-iran, and shortly china-taiwan. This is not a great place to be in.

   1. sajithdilshan · 1790346355 · focus · HN ↗

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      1. kettleballroll · 1790346557 · focus · HN ↗

         That's a weird stance to take. If someone invaded a other territory next to yours and some of your unions members fear they're next, business as usual is the wrong strategy, imo

         1. sajithdilshan · 1790346805 · focus · HN ↗

            That's why diplomacy is important. There is no scenario that Europe, let alone Ukraine can militarily defeat Russia (a country with nuclear weapons). I understand defending the territory. But what is the end game? fight forever? or mutual destruction?

            1. rcxdude · 1790346888 · focus · HN ↗

               Kick them out so they gain nothing and have a credible enough deterrent they don't try again. This is also well below the stated threshold for Russia escalating to nukes but well above the threshold of military defeat.

               1. sajithdilshan · 1790347165 · focus · HN ↗

                  what if they cannot be kicked out? fight forever till Ukraine runs out of men to send to war?

                  1. rcxdude · 1790349708 · focus · HN ↗

                     Then that is a loss, yes. It is an attritional war: whoever runs out of resources or will first loses. I don't think most of Europe has internalised how big of a loss that would be.
            2. bar8uyr · 1790520307 · focus · HN ↗

               Ukraine is winning. Defending your own territory is natural. Ukraine don't want a war, Russia can stop whenever they want it to stop. What is Russia's end game? look weak and easy to beat and have to threaten to use nukes to feel like a big man?

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