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Does Georgism work? Five years later

514 points · 522 comments · silveraxe93

  1. noduerme · · focus · HN ↗
    It's freakishly weird to see this at the top of HN. I had never heard or read anything about Georgism until last week, when I stumbled onto it after randomly seeing a photo of a 100-year-old billboard on the Wikipedia page for the term "speculation". I spent a few days researching it on and off. In fact, I just navigated to HN from the last page I was reading about it. It seems like a clever way to address a number of very pressing modern issues.

    Serendipity, I guess.

    1. EA-3167 · · focus · HN ↗
      This place has always had a soft spot for Scott Alexander, and in turn he loves to talk about Big Systemic Fixes.

      It never ends.

      1. epistasis · · focus · HN ↗
        This piece was not written by Scott Alexander.

        I think it's better to say that HN readers have a soft spot for clever solutions that seem like hacks. And the LVT is really a huge societal hack to unlock a lot of prosperity and eliminate a lot of poverty.

        1. EA-3167 · · focus · HN ↗
          So… a big systemic fix in other words.

          Allow to me cite another beloved HN blog by way of explanation for why this mostly appeals to people without a strong understanding of the systems they want to “fix”.

          <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;johnsalvatier.org&#x2F;blog&#x2F;2017&#x2F;reality-has-a-surprising-amount-of-detail" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;johnsalvatier.org&#x2F;blog&#x2F;2017&#x2F;reality-has-a-surprising...

          1. psd1 · · focus · HN ↗
            I directionally agree! I grew out of Big Systemic Fixes in my 20s. The great thing about LVT is that it can be implemented piecemeal at the small scale. I think we should do that; have some tolerance while we thrash out the bugs; then let matters progress as they will.

            While i don&#x27;t agree with Big Systemic Fixes, i certainly agree with - or rather, acknowledge the existence of - Big Systemic Problems. We should tackle those when we can, with appropriate caution. LVT&#x27;s viability, IMO, is predicated on gradual rollout and low cost of reversal.

          2. epistasis · · focus · HN ↗
            I would not call a &quot;hack&quot; a &quot;systemic fix&quot; in fact quite the opposite.

            And those who work on understanding the systems (economists) universally agree that the hack is a great hack, across all sorts of schools of thought, something that&#x27;s pretty much unheard of in economics.

            I hope you are as interested in detail as you purport with your link, and go and look at the real world examples of doing this hack in practice!

        2. noduerme · · focus · HN ↗
          Honestly, a week ago after I got deeply into Georgism and totally apart from this, I was like:

          This is the hack that fixes inequality in the 21st century, provides for a UBI, fixes the housing shortage, lowers inflation, ___and___ is astonishingly libertarian in a way that would still achieve a lot of those progressive goals, but could be embraced by self-employed &#x2F; founder &#x2F; developer &#x2F; capitalist &#x2F; middle-class and upwardly mobile non-bitching people like myself... even those of us who do own land.

          Next thought was that I should start a political campaign based on it. It probably would function as a sort of systemic broad-spectrum antibiotic for our current monopolist &quot;late capitalism&quot;, at least on a street level.

          Then a week later it&#x27;s topping HN, so why bother ;)

    2. perilunar · · focus · HN ↗
      Georgism has been mentioned many, many times in the 15 years you&#x27;ve been on HN. How could you not know about it?
      1. noduerme · · focus · HN ↗
        shrug I must&#x27;ve missed it. I guess the fact that I was enchanted when I read it last week, and I&#x27;ve been here 15 years, illustrates something about common zeitgeist that I had stopped ascribing to HN awhile ago.
    3. viccis · · focus · HN ↗
      If you ever played Monopoly, you were intended to learn a bit about it whether you knew you did or not.
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