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Plan mode is dead

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  1. bcherny · · focus · HN ↗
    [I work on Claude Code] I broadly agree with the author’s point: plan mode was useful, and is no longer useful.

    In Claude Code, all plan mode does is add a little reminder to every user message along the lines of “you’re in plan mode, please don’t code yet”. It’s something I came up with late on a Sunday night many months ago, when I got tired of asking Claude to plan with me first before coding in each new session. Something people might not realize is plan mode has always been a prompt — it has never changed the toolset because doing so would break the prompt cache, and so would be expensive for users.

    This worked well for a while, until a few months ago, using early versions of Fable, I realized that I wasn’t using plan mode anymore because the model just got it, and because for the increasingly complex work I asked the model to do, planning had become interactive and iterative. With Opus 5.5, I feel Opus has gotten to that point too.

    For codebase understanding, I sometimes ask Claude to generate an artifact that explains some aspect of its changes. For complex diffs to core parts of the system, I will often ask it to make diagrams or even interactive demos so I can better understand the change and alternatives considered. I don’t do this very often, but it’s a useful way to explain code when you need it. I ask Claude to attach these artifacts to its PRs also, so others can understand and future Claudes have the context.

    1. radley · · focus · HN ↗
      Plan mode is critical in the beginning, because there's a lot of long tail decisions that haven't been considered, let alone resolved.

      But as skills and memory are populated over time, Plan mode isn't as necessary. It becomes simpler to let Claude just build and get something general in place that works, and then refine from there. Auto mode will ask essential questions.

      I still use Plan mode for big feature changes, to confirm that I've asked for what I want in the right way. I tend to prompt casually, with only a few specific details. Plan mode helps me see the whole picture before committing. In a few cases, it also helped me decide the feature I asked for was wrong.

      1. viccis · · focus · HN ↗
        I don't use Plan mode because I plan out work with a ticket based approach (that also works as a memory store), but I wish there were some kind of Plan mode like harness feature to try as hard as possible to stop it from beginning to code. With the newer models, I have started to have a lot of trouble with them proceeding through the QA with me where I scope out the work and refine requirements and then immediately begin to do the work rather than either making tickets or giving me the full plan to thumbs up like I tell them to do.

        So it sounds like we use it somewhat similarly, just taking a glance at it before the work starts, and that's becoming harder to do in my experience. It is important because problems with the overall plan or strategy end up magnified the further you proceed with development.

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