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Plan mode is dead

591 points · 510 comments · jmvldz

  1. taurath · · focus · HN ↗
    I'm actively watching understanding slip away from developers, code review getting paired down to no comment checkmarks, and codebases go to bloated messes that nobody can read. Axioms like engineers must understand and take responsibility for the code they ship are getting torn down, and the products coming out are reflecting conway's law, becoming impenetrably obtuse and always "so complex there are no obvious deficiencies" (as opposed to "so simple there are no obvious deficiencies" which used to be the aim).

    The one thing plan mode helped is for the humans to get an understanding of the strategy, and be able to poke around and look at the design and architecture. You can achieve this with some self discipline and keeping shorter leashes on agents, but it feels like a losing battle. The best devs still put out good code, but the poor devs are learning nothing while their metrics look great. I can't help but think we are racking up immense amounts of debt that will very soon become due.

    1. gonzalohm · · focus · HN ↗
      100% this. Some people are basically adding AI as a dependency for their projects. They no longer understand the code
      1. pianopatrick · · focus · HN ↗
        Seems to me that if the AI writes the code, then AI can easily copy the code.

        I.e. how hard is it to point an AI at a piece of software and say "AI, copy this"?

        Seems like sooner or later copying just becomes a matter of spending enough on tokens.

        Seems in that world, all significant software projects get copied. That turns software into a commodity loss leader for other business models or an open source project. Similar to the way Chrome works for Google and the way Firefox works.

        1. 00deadbeef · · focus · HN ↗
          It's harder than you might think. Mature software is battle-tested. All of the bugs and edge cases are handled. You can't just copy that from the UI.
          1. pianopatrick · · focus · HN ↗
            Long term, that also just seems like a matter of spending enough tokens. I.e. we have these "red team" AIs that are finding security bugs in very mature software. As AI improves it seems you will be able to just point them at your copy, spend enough tokens and get most of the bugs.
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