Every piece of software has an expiration date. You can extend its lifespan, but technology keeps moving. What was considered standard on the backend five years ago may look completely different today. I think that's a good thing. Rails worked extremely well for its time, especially around 2007–2015, but it started to show its age as newer, more capable languages and runtimes matured.
We should be celebrating the fact that we can now port almost anything with far less effort, or modernize an existing stack to meet today's performance expectations, requirements, and engineering standards.
But they fill different niches, there's no way I'm going to choose Rust+Axum as much as I love Rust for an ecommerce/CRUD vs something as batteries-included and expressive like Rails or Django.
I love "Zero to Production in Rust", but that's a pretty long book that recreates a fraction of what comes out of the box with Django. Also, when things come with Django, there's no need to maintain or worry about subtle yet crucial bugs.
There are some baffling picks here. Several of these are super barebones minimal frameworks that doesn't have even a faction of Rails capabilities.
And yet people build sophisticated apps with them anyway, because there are plenty of components you can bring in piecemeal in any language ecosystem. You can even do this in Ruby without Rails.
By way of example, "react doesn't have a router" hasn't stopped it from becoming the dominant frontend framework.
meerita · · focus · HN ↗
We should be celebrating the fact that we can now port almost anything with far less effort, or modernize an existing stack to meet today's performance expectations, requirements, and engineering standards.
rebelidealist · · focus · HN ↗
meerita · · focus · HN ↗
- Rust: Axum, Actix Web
- Go: net/http + Chi, Echo
- C#: ASP.NET Core
- Java/Kotlin: Spring Boot 4, Quarkus
- Elixir: Phoenix
- TypeScript: Fastify, NestJS
- Python: FastAPI, Django
dysoco · · focus · HN ↗
meerita · · focus · HN ↗
dgroshev · · focus · HN ↗
I love "Zero to Production in Rust", but that's a pretty long book that recreates a fraction of what comes out of the box with Django. Also, when things come with Django, there's no need to maintain or worry about subtle yet crucial bugs.
jamesgeck0 · · focus · HN ↗
stickfigure · · focus · HN ↗
By way of example, "react doesn't have a router" hasn't stopped it from becoming the dominant frontend framework.
rglynn · · focus · HN ↗
Their perspective is "Rails? Isn't that like, super old??"