‹ BackHN Continuity

Thread

California is chasing wealth that has feet

293 points · 870 comments · idbnstra

  1. abeppu · · focus · HN ↗
    > The land value tax can’t be dodged by leaving nor can it be passed on to renters.

    In what sense can't it be passed to renters? Esp if all landlords in the market were faced with a new land tax that they had not previously planned for, why would it not be passed on?

    1. larsiusprime · · focus · HN ↗
      Rent is a function of supply and demand, not a landlord's costs, otherwise we would expect changes in e.g. mortgage interest costs to be passed on to, but in practice we don't see this effect. We also don't see landlords who own their properties outright (and thus don't have mortgage interest costs) charging lower rents than landlords in the neighborhood with identical properties who have mortgages. When landlords' costs drop, do they drop the rent in response?

      Taxes can be passed on when the tax induces a change in supply. Conventional property taxes are partially passed through because the component of the tax that falls on the building. Tax buildings, get less buildings.

      Taxes on land do not affect the supply of the land, this implies they are not passed on and the research literature largely agrees with this.

      1. anamax · · focus · HN ↗
        > Rent is a function of supply and demand, not a landlord's costs,

        Do you really believe that landlords will subsidize tenants for a long time?

        More to the point, if landlords are losing money, why would anyone build rental housing? Instead, why wouldn't they take housing off the market?

        1. lkjdsklf · · focus · HN ↗
          > Do you really believe that landlords will subsidize tenants for a long time?

          This literally happens all the time in California.

          You buy a house in CA. You move somewhere else. You hold on to the house because your property taxes are fixed and housing prices grow like crazy here. Maybe your kids will want it. Maybe you'll want to move back..

          You can't charge enough rent to cover the mortgage and taxes os you end up taking a loss monthly.

Open on Hacker News to reply ↗

Unofficial Hacker News client; not affiliated with Y Combinator.