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California is chasing wealth that has feet

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  1. abeppu · · focus · HN ↗
    > The land value tax can’t be dodged by leaving nor can it be passed on to renters.

    In what sense can't it be passed to renters? Esp if all landlords in the market were faced with a new land tax that they had not previously planned for, why would it not be passed on?

    1. larsiusprime · · focus · HN ↗
      Rent is a function of supply and demand, not a landlord's costs, otherwise we would expect changes in e.g. mortgage interest costs to be passed on to, but in practice we don't see this effect. We also don't see landlords who own their properties outright (and thus don't have mortgage interest costs) charging lower rents than landlords in the neighborhood with identical properties who have mortgages. When landlords' costs drop, do they drop the rent in response?

      Taxes can be passed on when the tax induces a change in supply. Conventional property taxes are partially passed through because the component of the tax that falls on the building. Tax buildings, get less buildings.

      Taxes on land do not affect the supply of the land, this implies they are not passed on and the research literature largely agrees with this.

      1. nly · · focus · HN ↗
        If I own £100K worth of land, and the government announces a 1% annual land tax, it's likely the value of my land will fall by about ~25-33% overnight.

        If you think that's morally unobjectionable, fine, but I'd love to know what happens when all the landowners who own rural land that doesn't have a profitable development path attached to it can't pay their tax bills. Have the state seize it all?

        Or do they just claim it's of negligible value and avoid the tax?

        1. lesam · · focus · HN ↗
          You would sell the development for as much as you can get, regardless of tax. The people buying from you aren't going to pay you more just because the government raised your taxes.
          1. nly · · focus · HN ↗
            A land tax would effect every single landlord though. Every single landlord would put up rent.

            The market will bare it because people have no choice. The choice is homelessness or paying the higher rent.

            It's principally the same when mortgage rates rise. Landlords with mortgages put up rent. Only it would be worse, since not all landlords have mortgages.

            1. lesam · · focus · HN ↗
              Do you have data for this? The data I've seen in the past is that landlords are not in aggregate able to pass on mortgage rate increases as rent increases, possibly because their tenants are already squeezed to the limit and there is simply no more money to be had. So when mortgage rates go up rents stay roughly constant and property values go down.
          2. lesam · · focus · HN ↗
            Note that I believe this comment was substantially edited after I replied.
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