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1. DarkNova6 · 1790255345 · focus · HN ↗

   I am more and more convinced that young people have a much better understanding of technology and especially its impact on society.

   1. sunaookami · 1790255802 · focus · HN ↗

      They can't even use a computer, they struggle with basic computer knowledge because they grow up with closed ecosystems and most of them only have smartphones, not a desktop PC. They are called "Digital Naives" (sic) for a reason.

      1. junon · 1790256035 · focus · HN ↗

         Opposite of my experience. A few family members and their friends invited me to a discord server recently; I'll join for games some nights. They're very acutely aware of how things work. We talk a lot about how even their schoolmates don't really use social media much (at least, not the big ones) and despise AI.

         Gives me some hope that the kids will be alright.

         1. letmevoteplease · 1790256250 · focus · HN ↗

            Most of them are using AI for all their schoolwork while performatively hating it because "it wastes water" or some other half-understood meme.

            1. r_lee · 1790256643 · focus · HN ↗

               no? it's because nobody likes AI slop

               1. orangedog · 1790257101 · focus · HN ↗

                  I'm a fan of generated music and have run across some generated vids I like. I've seen some really creative stuff which took existing fiction and generated vid content around that. Previously, that content simply would not have been created because it would have been way too expensive. I know I'm not the only one out there who enjoys it at times.

                  There is undoubtedly some performative element, how big that is who knows?

                  1. roblh · 1790257971 · focus · HN ↗

                     Confessing to liking generated music is wild and legitimately embarrassing. Somehow, even compared to ripoff visual art, fake music is even more obviously plagiaristic. The stuff that it's ripping off already exists and isn't even hard to find since ALL of it is billed exactly as the style/genre that it's stealing from. That's the equivalent of framing and hanging a "ghibli style" generated print in your living room.

                     1. orangedog · 1790258332 · focus · HN ↗

                        This is what I mean, people don't feel the same way. I find the lyrics creative enough, the style hits, that's all I'm looking for. I don't find most music on the market that interesting, anyway. I found people making music about UFOs and disclosure of all things, there isn't exactly a huge market for that. It's allowing people to express things in music they previously weren't.

                        This is the kind of stuff which will just cause people to be contrarian and like it because we're told it's something to be embarrassed over. People put human-created content on way too high of a pedestal.

                        I find it interesting that we have tools which can take a general concept and sound and create hours and hours of content out of that and I don't consider it any different than remixing human stuff, it is still human at its core.

                        Honestly, for the people who hate this stuff, the best thing you can do is not to mock people in this way because I promise you, that's how you get contrarians. Do you know how rude it is to be told that what you like is legitimately embarrassing? What caused you to say that to another human being? Come on!

                        1. card_zero · 1790260020 · focus · HN ↗

                           Well they used to. Make music about UFOs and such, I mean.

                           Woke up this morning, I was feeling quite weird, Had flies in my beard, my toothpaste was smeared Over my window, they'd written my name, Said so long, we'll see you again ...

                           Did a vehicle, did a vehicle, did a vehicle come from somewhere out there, just to land in the Andes? Was it round and did it have a motor ...

                           Music was more interesting once.

                           1. rnd0 · 1790307171 · focus · HN ↗

                              >Make music about UFOs and such, I mean.

                              Fleetwood Mac, 1975, "hypnotized" comes to mind. As does "Interstellar Overdrive" by Pink Floyd

                              So yeah. They did.

                              1. defrost · 1790307702 · focus · HN ↗

                                 sure, sure, and Calling Occupants of Interplanetary Craft by the Carpenters in '77.

                                 But what was the name of the song quoted in the comment you responded to?

                                 Wasn't that also a song about UFOs and such and didn't that comment explicitly already acknowledge such songs existed?

                        2. wbxp99 · 1790300321 · focus · HN ↗

                           Some people eat at Chipotle every day

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