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Two-tier encryption in the UK

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  1. failbuffer · · focus · HN ↗
    No need to speculate that the UK government "might" one day become the bad guys: they already arrest over 30 people a day for speech that offends the prevailing political orthodoxy.

    [1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.forbes.com&#x2F;sites&#x2F;steveforbes&#x2F;2025&#x2F;09&#x2F;09&#x2F;people-are-being-thrown-in-uk-prisons-over-what-theyve-said-online-can-free-speech-be-saved&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.forbes.com&#x2F;sites&#x2F;steveforbes&#x2F;2025&#x2F;09&#x2F;09&#x2F;people-a...

    1. Aurornis · · focus · HN ↗
      Everyone should read the case of the IT consultant getting arrested in the UK because he posted a photo of him doing some target shooting during a trip to the US: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.lbc.co.uk&#x2F;article&#x2F;consultant-arrested-linkedin-shotgun-florida-5HjdNhP_2&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.lbc.co.uk&#x2F;article&#x2F;consultant-arrested-linkedin-s...

      Stories like this quickly put to rest the idea that everyone who gets arrested must actually deserve it. The bar for posting content that violates the law is very low.

      There was also the tragic story of the Cambridge professor who was completely unqualified and had a fake life story. When journalists would get close to the story he would report them to the police for harassment to spike the stories.

      1. amiga386 · · focus · HN ↗
        In this particular case, the IT consultant was owed money by a failing business, and he put 1) a picture of the business premises, and 2) pictures of him firing guns, on a website where he was sure the business owner would see it.

        That&#x27;s textbook intimidation, which in certain cases is a crime in the UK, and even some US states. You can also do it offline, for example, by sending a letter to the victim containing a photograph of the front of their house, and a photograph of you firing guns. The implication is pretty straightforward and doesn&#x27;t even need to be stated: &quot;I have guns and I know where you live. Pay me that money you owe me or I might use them.&quot; That implication is still there, for the victim, even if you add surface text like &quot;Hey everyone look at these cool things!&quot;

        Only _after_ he was arrested, and the police went looking around his house for guns... did he admit that the pictures were taken overseas, he doesn&#x27;t actually own the guns. And yet that&#x27;s what the article leads with, like it was a known fact from the get-go and those silly-billy police knew that but went looking for them in the UK anyway.

        This article is a great lesson in how to mislead without saying anything untrue.

        His own words in a different article make the reason for the arrest clear:

        <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;nypost.com&#x2F;2025&#x2F;12&#x2F;04&#x2F;us-news&#x2F;british-man-says-he-was-arrested-after-posting-photos-with-guns-on-july-4-trip-to-florida&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;nypost.com&#x2F;2025&#x2F;12&#x2F;04&#x2F;us-news&#x2F;british-man-says-he-wa...

        &gt; “The arrest was based on two separate social media posts,” he said. “One was the photo of myself with the shotgun, [...] And the second one was my LinkedIn banner at the top of the page.”

        &gt; “I used the photo my business partner took on his premises as a header photo on LinkedIn with the intention he would look at that and go, ‘Why’s this guy posting that? I’d better call him and find out rather than dodging me’ as it had done for months,” he said.

        EDIT 2: for avoidance of doubt, he did three days in a row of LinkedIn blog posts, where

        1) his PFP at the time (shown in the top-right corner) was a picture of the business premises

        2) the text of the post talked about the &quot;delinquent client&quot;

        3) the post ended with a no-context-given picture of him posing with guns

        Example: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.linkedin.com&#x2F;posts&#x2F;jonrichelieu-booth_jonthehashtagguy-outsideir35-ir35-activity-7361297981188251648-6HbX?utm_source=share&amp;utm_medium=member_desktop&amp;rcm=ACoAACpWBowB4CDmXXb4SKmiBaMLqDGtcpGHkTI" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.linkedin.com&#x2F;posts&#x2F;jonrichelieu-booth_jonthehash...

        EDIT: and your second example is also dangerously misleading. Jason Arday (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Jason_Arday" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Jason_Arday) and&#x2F;or his university reported 2 professors and 1 journalist to the police, pretending their requests for comment on his plagiarism were harrassment. For all three reports, police chose to take no action (nonetheless it still had a chilling effect on speech). What spiked the story is that Jason Arday and&#x2F;or his university got very expensive reputation lawyers Carter-Fuck to send a C&amp;D to the journalist&#x27;s newspaper, promising expensive litigation if they published the story. That is what spiked the story, not intimidation via false harassment claims. Expensive lawyers making baseless threats work equally well in the US and UK to chill legal speech, it&#x27;s not a policy issue.

        1. ifh-hn · · focus · HN ↗
          Argh yes, context. I was wondering why the police were doing what they were doing. Police don&#x27;t randomly do that to someone, there had to be a reason. Context is king.
          1. Aurornis · · focus · HN ↗
            Read the actual articles the person linked. The comment you’re replying to uses weasel words like saying “put them on a website” to conceal the fact that the “website” was the guy posting different unrelated things on his social media feed.

            In the second case, the person involved was weaponizing the police against a journalist who had uncovered something about a completely unqualified university professor who had a fraudulent background story. The police didn’t do it “randomly”. The professor knew how to use the laws to intimidate and silence his critics (when even the GP comment admits).

            Even the police later admitted they should not have gone as far as they did.

            1. amiga386 · · focus · HN ↗
              The website, which is also his social media feed, is LinkedIn. Both the header image (of the ower&#x27;s premises) and pictures of the owee shooting guns are on the same site. Hence the complaint of intimidation from the ower.

              In the second case, once again you repeat your nonsense. The chilling effect the police had, a wrong in and of itself, did not put the journalist off publishing.

              You can read the journalist&#x27;s own words right here: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.timeshighereducation.com&#x2F;opinion&#x2F;i-was-reported-police-over-arday-case-i-was-just-doing-my-job" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.timeshighereducation.com&#x2F;opinion&#x2F;i-was-reported-...

              &gt; Despite the thoroughness of my investigation, THE did not run the story. While I was personally disappointed, I understood; by this point, Arday’s solicitors had been in touch with THE and it was clear that the story could tie the publication up in months of expensive litigation. Even if we were right – and I stand by my reporting – it would have been ruinously expensive.

              You want to say POLICE POLICE POLICE were chilling speech here. Bullshit. It was LAWYERS LAWYERS LAWYERS suppressing the story.

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