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  1. failbuffer · · focus · HN ↗
    No need to speculate that the UK government "might" one day become the bad guys: they already arrest over 30 people a day for speech that offends the prevailing political orthodoxy.

    [1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.forbes.com&#x2F;sites&#x2F;steveforbes&#x2F;2025&#x2F;09&#x2F;09&#x2F;people-are-being-thrown-in-uk-prisons-over-what-theyve-said-online-can-free-speech-be-saved&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.forbes.com&#x2F;sites&#x2F;steveforbes&#x2F;2025&#x2F;09&#x2F;09&#x2F;people-a...

    1. Aurornis · · focus · HN ↗
      Everyone should read the case of the IT consultant getting arrested in the UK because he posted a photo of him doing some target shooting during a trip to the US: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.lbc.co.uk&#x2F;article&#x2F;consultant-arrested-linkedin-shotgun-florida-5HjdNhP_2&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.lbc.co.uk&#x2F;article&#x2F;consultant-arrested-linkedin-s...

      Stories like this quickly put to rest the idea that everyone who gets arrested must actually deserve it. The bar for posting content that violates the law is very low.

      There was also the tragic story of the Cambridge professor who was completely unqualified and had a fake life story. When journalists would get close to the story he would report them to the police for harassment to spike the stories.

      1. amiga386 · · focus · HN ↗
        In this particular case, the IT consultant was owed money by a failing business, and he put 1) a picture of the business premises, and 2) pictures of him firing guns, on a website where he was sure the business owner would see it.

        That&#x27;s textbook intimidation, which in certain cases is a crime in the UK, and even some US states. You can also do it offline, for example, by sending a letter to the victim containing a photograph of the front of their house, and a photograph of you firing guns. The implication is pretty straightforward and doesn&#x27;t even need to be stated: &quot;I have guns and I know where you live. Pay me that money you owe me or I might use them.&quot; That implication is still there, for the victim, even if you add surface text like &quot;Hey everyone look at these cool things!&quot;

        Only _after_ he was arrested, and the police went looking around his house for guns... did he admit that the pictures were taken overseas, he doesn&#x27;t actually own the guns. And yet that&#x27;s what the article leads with, like it was a known fact from the get-go and those silly-billy police knew that but went looking for them in the UK anyway.

        This article is a great lesson in how to mislead without saying anything untrue.

        His own words in a different article make the reason for the arrest clear:

        <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;nypost.com&#x2F;2025&#x2F;12&#x2F;04&#x2F;us-news&#x2F;british-man-says-he-was-arrested-after-posting-photos-with-guns-on-july-4-trip-to-florida&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;nypost.com&#x2F;2025&#x2F;12&#x2F;04&#x2F;us-news&#x2F;british-man-says-he-wa...

        &gt; “The arrest was based on two separate social media posts,” he said. “One was the photo of myself with the shotgun, [...] And the second one was my LinkedIn banner at the top of the page.”

        &gt; “I used the photo my business partner took on his premises as a header photo on LinkedIn with the intention he would look at that and go, ‘Why’s this guy posting that? I’d better call him and find out rather than dodging me’ as it had done for months,” he said.

        EDIT 2: for avoidance of doubt, he did three days in a row of LinkedIn blog posts, where

        1) his PFP at the time (shown in the top-right corner) was a picture of the business premises

        2) the text of the post talked about the &quot;delinquent client&quot;

        3) the post ended with a no-context-given picture of him posing with guns

        Example: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.linkedin.com&#x2F;posts&#x2F;jonrichelieu-booth_jonthehashtagguy-outsideir35-ir35-activity-7361297981188251648-6HbX?utm_source=share&amp;utm_medium=member_desktop&amp;rcm=ACoAACpWBowB4CDmXXb4SKmiBaMLqDGtcpGHkTI" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.linkedin.com&#x2F;posts&#x2F;jonrichelieu-booth_jonthehash...

        EDIT: and your second example is also dangerously misleading. Jason Arday (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Jason_Arday" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Jason_Arday) and&#x2F;or his university reported 2 professors and 1 journalist to the police, pretending their requests for comment on his plagiarism were harrassment. For all three reports, police chose to take no action (nonetheless it still had a chilling effect on speech). What spiked the story is that Jason Arday and&#x2F;or his university got very expensive reputation lawyers Carter-Fuck to send a C&amp;D to the journalist&#x27;s newspaper, promising expensive litigation if they published the story. That is what spiked the story, not intimidation via false harassment claims. Expensive lawyers making baseless threats work equally well in the US and UK to chill legal speech, it&#x27;s not a policy issue.

        1. pepperoni_pizza · · focus · HN ↗
          &gt; That&#x27;s textbook intimidation,

          Exactly.

          Every time I hear a story of &quot;horrible abuses in UK where people get arrested for talking on the internet&quot; it turns our they intimidated or scammed or bullied someone.

          I wonder why people keep lying about it.

          1. IslandRebel · · focus · HN ↗
            I&#x27;ve seen the posts myself now and there wasn&#x27;t any intimidation.

            What seems to happen on these stories that anything that might be construed as a threat will be, to pretend there isn&#x27;t a problem with the speech and online laws in the UK.

            It very tiring to have people like those on this thread pretend there isn&#x27;t a huge problem.

          2. Accacin · · focus · HN ↗
            99.9% of the time I see this claim, it&#x27;s right-wing Americans or bots trying to make the UK look like a hell-hole. They completely ignore the context surrounding it, and simply prefer to believe the claim.

            No point even arguing with them, it&#x27;s a lost cause.

            1. chmod775 · · focus · HN ↗
              &gt; 99.9% of the time I see this claim, it&#x27;s right-wing Americans or bots trying to make the UK look like a hell-hole.

              Given you got the nationality wrong 2&#x2F;3 times in this comment section and they weren&#x27;t bot accounts either, you might want to adjust that number.

              You got the political lean wrong at least once as well. This might be the time to adjust your worldview. Empirically it doesn&#x27;t seem to mesh with reality.

              1. Accacin · · focus · HN ↗
                Use less Americanisms if you don&#x27;t want to appear American. Either way, not British. And not a bot? That clears it up then.
                1. chmod775 · · focus · HN ↗
                  &gt; Use less Americanisms if you don&#x27;t want to appear American.

                  Until this exchange, I hadn&#x27;t realised I would be doing anyone a favour. I&#x27;ll have a think about it.

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