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Two-tier encryption in the UK

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  1. failbuffer · · focus · HN ↗
    No need to speculate that the UK government "might" one day become the bad guys: they already arrest over 30 people a day for speech that offends the prevailing political orthodoxy.

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    1. fragilerock · · focus · HN ↗
      &gt; they already arrest over 30 people a day for speech that offends the prevailing political orthodoxy.

      This is completely false and comes from a commonly misrepresented statistic; &#x27;30 arrests a day&#x27; is plainly the arrests made under section 127 of the Communications Act 2003 and section 1 of the Malicious Communications Act 1988 which includes things like online stalking and harassment. I hope you&#x27;re just mistaken and not willfully implying that those issues are merely offensive to the prevailing political orthodoxy.

      1. gib444 · · focus · HN ↗
        You can&#x27;t argue with data that doesn&#x27;t exist, either. The arrests are not broken down, so nobody really knows. Both sides can argue their opinion

        You can argue it&#x27;s highly improbable that all arrests are over &#x27;hurty words online&#x27;, definitely – but anyone claiming zero arrests seems improbable too.

        I do also feel it&#x27;s quite convenient that the lack of breakdown allows people to clap back with accusations of encouraging stalking and harassment.

        1. foldr · · focus · HN ↗
          Well, the breakdowns are according to the offences the arrests come under. The police can&#x27;t really release official figures for &quot;arrests that would seen unjustifiable to libertarian-leaning HN readers&quot;, or &quot;arrests for things that would not be a crime in the US&quot;.
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