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Starlink ground station in Poland hit by fire in suspected arson attack

183 points · 182 comments · giuliomagnifico

  1. Shank · · focus · HN ↗
    It feels like it’s very, very risky territory for these activities to be “occurring” in a NATO country. I’m sure everyone else is thinking the same thing, but at what point does Article 5 get invoked?
    1. vlyan · · focus · HN ↗
      what exactly do you think is going to happen if article 5 gets invoked? did America's current Special Military Operation not make it clear that missiles alone don't win wars, and that there's fuck all you can do when the other side yeets their missiles at you in return?

      also, a friendly reminder that all willing parties are free to go fight Russia right now. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;ildu.mil.gov.ua&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;ildu.mil.gov.ua&#x2F;

      1. bluGill · · focus · HN ↗
        &gt; did America&#x27;s current Special Military Operation not make it clear that missiles alone don&#x27;t win wars

        not really. The operation accomplished all the goals: it removed the current leadership of Iran. Of course the results where completely predictable: meet the new leadership - same as the old one (often just the children of the old). Lets not pretend that it didn&#x27;t get the intended results. It just got some other unintended results as well (which were mostly predictable)

        There are limits to what war can accomplish. Depending on how you fight the war you can get different long term results.

        1. vlyan · · focus · HN ↗
          &gt;Lets not pretend that it didn&#x27;t get the intended results

          the intended result was a regime change to eliminate an enemy of Israel. did replacing IRGC moderates with IRGC hardliners accomplish that?

          1. bluGill · · focus · HN ↗
            Nobody knows the objectives as they were never stated first and now everybody had reason to lie. (Except prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons)

            What they accomplished seems reasonable to make a guess at objective around, and regime change by killing the leaders is a reasonable guess considering they did it.

            Getting irgc hardliners more power is obviously not a goal. It is what happened of course, but not the goal.

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