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Starlink ground station in Poland hit by fire in suspected arson attack

183 points · 182 comments · giuliomagnifico

Shank · 1790247119 · focus · HN ↗
It feels like it’s very, very risky territory for these activities to be “occurring” in a NATO country. I’m sure everyone else is thinking the same thing, but at what point does Article 5 get invoked?
1. newsclues · 1790247329 · focus · HN ↗
  Unlikely given that disposable cutout agents or useful idiots are used.
  <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unrestricted_Warfare" rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unrestricted_Warfare or hybrid warfare is designed to avoid full military action. But the tit for tat escalation in kind can lead to real war.
  1. WJW · 1790247748 · focus · HN ↗
    It would be interesting to see graphs of how similarly "unprovable" sabotage actions have developed in Russia over the past few years. I doubt we'd ever see accurate reporting out of Russia, but it seems like an obvious thing to do for both Ukrainian intelligence and also for the wider West. It's also be likely to be underreported on because neither the perpetrator nor the victim gains all that much from reporting these kind of things.
    vintermann · 1790248965 · focus · HN ↗
    I see it as obvious that the Nord Stream pipeline was not blown up without US permission at the very least. (And the media's insistence that it was probably Russia which blew up their own pipeline convinced me beyond doubt that they see loyalty to the war effort as trumping any obligation to the truth). Of course there are going to be sabotage actions the other way too.
    nl · 1790249661 · focus · HN ↗
    International reporting was almost all that it was a Ukrainian operation, eg:
    > On 6 June 2023, The Washington Post reported that an intelligence agency of an unnamed European "close ally" had notified the CIA of a Ukrainian military plan for a covert attack on the pipeline. The plan was to be carried out by a team of divers reporting to Gen. Valery Zaluzhny, commander-in-chief of the Ukrainian armed forces, but the Post did not report any evidence that it had been put into action. The US reportedly learned of the plan three months before the destruction of the pipeline, and shared the intelligence with Germany and other allies.
    <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nord_Stream_pipelines_sabotage#Investigations" rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nord_Stream_pipelines_sabotage...
    vintermann · 1790250282 · focus · HN ↗
    Eventually the international reporting pivoted to blaming Ukraine. But that was not what I read every day on my state-run broadcaster as it happened.
    newsclues · 1790251456 · focus · HN ↗
    It's incredible to _experience_ how propaganda machines rewrite narratives.

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