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Meta takes down a critical video about meta AI Glasses after filming at Meta

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jimbo456 · 1790253899 · focus · HN ↗
We need to move beyond just banning these glasses - all smart glasses of all kinds - to breaking up these companies. Undo the acquisitions of Insta and Whatsapp - I don't care that will be expensive, thats a shareholders problem.
1. acd · 1790254799 · focus · HN ↗
  We should together stop calling devices which film in dressing / locker rooms smart.
  These devices record video & sound track serve Ads and do Data fusion
  What if you took a cam corder to a locker room? People would be upset, that is not allowed. That would not be nice. This is not nice either
  1. cogman10 · 1790255163 · focus · HN ↗
    Much like a cell phone, nobody would even really care if you brought a camcorder down so long as you aren't operating it (which is very obvious).
    What makes these things gross is that it's not obvious when someone is recording.
    b112 · 1790256887 · focus · HN ↗
    I agree we should do something in this instance, but with the speed of which things are changing? Eventually, this tech is going to be undetectable.
    "Oh no that's sci-fi and decades away", I really don't think so. I think neuralink, and competitors too, will next move on to reading the visual cortex. They already have plans to push data to the visual cortex, to enable the blind to "see", reading in healthy people seems quite doable.
    I expect something like this to happen before 2030.
    Regardless, I agree for now? Yes. But the future? I don't see it as blockable forever.
    There are two ways we decide how severe the punishment for broken laws is. One is to enable just punishment. The other is deterrent. This may fall into "deterrent is the bigger part of the sentence", where people posting private information receive years in jail as a result.
    There is a little bit of a conversation about this here:
    <a href="https://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/rp-pr/other-autre/cndii-cdncii/p6.html" rel="nofollow">https://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/rp-pr/other-autre/cndii-cdncii...
    And the above certainly covers Meta glasses too.
    I think it won't be long before it's the posting of non-consensual imagery that is so criminal, that few will do so. For years in Quebec, sharing of images captured in public isn't really legit. You control "images of yourself", regardless of where they are taken, public places or not:
    <a href="https://educaloi.qc.ca/en/capsules/your-right-to-control-photos-and-videos-of-yourself/" rel="nofollow">https://educaloi.qc.ca/en/capsules/your-right-to-control-pho...
    And they're so worried about problems with image sharing, they've almost automated the process to deal with it:
    <a href="https://www.quebec.ca/en/justice-and-civil-status/support-victims-crime/non-consensual-sharing-intimate-image" rel="nofollow">https://www.quebec.ca/en/justice-and-civil-status/support-vi...
    So this is already being criminalized in a lot of places.
    ben_w · 1790269041 · focus · HN ↗
    > "Oh no that's sci-fi and decades away", I really don't think so. I think neuralink, and competitors too, will next move on to reading the visual cortex. They already have plans to push data to the visual cortex, to enable the blind to "see", reading in healthy people seems quite doable.
    > I expect something like this to happen before 2030.
    I think 2030 is too early for that, medical tech is slower than most people expect. What may happen by then is (more) retinal implants connected to external cameras, as the early tests of that kind of thing are now well into the past and early models were actually authorised: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argus_retinal_prosthesis" rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argus_retinal_prosthesis
    The non-medical surveillance risk is higher. The smallest camera (as of 6 years ago) was already small enough to be easily missed amongst makeup sparkles if you were so inclined: <a href="https://originalpricing.com/ov6948-medical-camera-sensor/" rel="nofollow">https://originalpricing.com/ov6948-medical-camera-sensor/
    Low resolution? Sure. Expensive, too. But I can easily see this being embedded in someone's nail lacquer, or eyelashes.
    There have been hidden cameras of various kinds for a lot longer than that, hidden in buttons etc.
    Between this and how easy it is to use AI to fake a picture of anyone you choose, anywhere you choose, doing anything you choose… I have absolutely no idea what will happen to consensus reality and shared social norms next year, let alone by 2030.
    b112 · 1790273292 · focus · HN ↗
    Yes, the reality issue is big. This may be in fact the only thing which saves 'big' news. And it may be what kills all forms of social media posting.
    Some yahoo you don't know, posting a video of <thing happening> is useless without some degree of trust. So whether an established celeb on Youtube or actual media outlets, centralized reporting is going to become more of a thing.
    When I was a kid, pre-internet, pre-camera, 'rumours' could be devastating, and were often wildly made up. Yet there was always this category of people who simple could not get through their head, that simply because someone hears something, it isn't therefore true.
    This category of people still exists. And I think they'll be most hit by this.

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