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Ideas on modernizing the open-source desktop

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  1. flaburgan · · focus · HN ↗
    In the end, using any device is all about doing actions (the simplest being reading/viewing, but also editing etc.) on data. Now the biggest difference between desktop and mobile is that the first one is (was?) file oriented while the second one is software (application) oriented. Edit a document, listen to a music, on desktop you would historically navigate to where the file is, then open it with the program of your choice. On mobile, you would almost never do that, you would first open the app and from it select the file you want to interact with. This is changing a lot how you are organizing the way you work. On desktop, it is easy to put related files of different types in the same folder, for example you organize your birthday, you can have the list of the invited people in a excel file with their number, a subfolder with the songs you want to play, some pictures of the venue, a text files with notes and etc. It is not natural at all to organize things like that on mobile. Android and iOS are hiding the files as much as they can. (This is not the case on Ubuntu Touch for example). And it becomes the responsibility of the app to organize the files it can open. This has a big impact on what you expect your desktop manager to done or not. I would personally be very happy if I could organize applications how we can organize files, and simply reopen a work session where I left it (some PDF open, some terminals open, my IDE, my browser...) even weeks after. To complexify the topic even more, the same thinking can be done in the browser, which is basically an OS now...
    1. red_admiral · · focus · HN ↗
      Win 3.11 program manager was application oriented. Win 95 was a mix, you could work document-oriented in Explorer (and most people did) but the start menu was still application oriented, with the exception of the "recent files" part (I forgen when exactly that was introduced). 'Libraries' pushes you from the files-and-folders back into a more application based model, to the point where I have an empty 'music library' and a folder music2 next to it where I can organize things the way I want.
      1. drfloyd51 · · focus · HN ↗
        I had a friend that stored her docs in a folder in the start menu back in win 95

        It was odd at first, but it made a lot of sense from a document first mindset.

        I eventually adopted a similar strategy myself.

        1. someonebaggy · · focus · HN ↗
          Hm, I suppose in theory the only difference between the desktop and the start menu is how they're physically displayed. Interesting that everyone stored their files in the desktop and nobody in the start menu - I suppose that's really just because it was easier to navigate to the desktop in the save dialog and because you could right click -> new document there.
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