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Feds Target AI Critics as "Foreign Agents"

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  1. surfmike · · focus · HN ↗
    When the CEOs of these companies are saying that we will risk extinction and jobs will be decimated, why do you even need a "foreign agent"?
    1. godwinson__4-8 · · focus · HN ↗
      Yet everyone laughed at the Google engineer who thought the LLM was sentient and it was being tortured...

      People just pick and choose what they want to hear when it suits them. The fact is most people thought AI was a joke. Now they realize it does React better than them they want it outlawed.

      It's their right to pursue their electoral and economic self-interest but it's really not like the average voter is more principled than the average tech CEO at this point.

      This fed was voted in by this public. Maybe stop lionizing what other people think and think for yourself.

      Do you think we risk extinction now more than ever because of AI? A simple refrain from slippery slope will show most AI doomerism is bordering on psychosis.

      I haven't seen one convincing model of AI existential risk. Can anyone offer one?

      1. Zambyte · · focus · HN ↗
        It's long, but I recommend watching this video[0]. I believe the person being interviewed has one of the most lucid understanding of the potential futures regarding if AI is allowed to continue or not.

        [0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=_g4l7YkDQwA" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=_g4l7YkDQwA

        1. godwinson__4-8 · · focus · HN ↗
          This show is trash are you going to recommend I get medical advice from Joe Rogan next?

          Non domain expert sitting there making Pikachu face while deeply questionable alleged domain expert rambles on and on for hours is such a low form of information.

          Like please stop watching this. It&#x27;s the same trash format the guy just talks in a soft English accent so his mediocrity is less obvious. You can do better.

          What happened to debates? What&#x27;s up with soft ball interviews and people going on and on for hours unchallenged? What&#x27;s the point of listening to someone not willing to subject themselves to cross examination?

          1. ipaddr · · focus · HN ↗

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            1. guelo · · focus · HN ↗
              I think the reason covid became politicized is the same individualistic vs communitarian tension in all other american politics.

                Individualistic: vaccines don&#x27;t help the young
                Communitarian: vaccinating everybody creates herd immunity that protects the community
                
                Individualistic: Masks don&#x27;t protect the wearer 
                Communitarian: Masks reduce the virus the wearer breathes out reducing the harm to others
              
              On ivermectin Rogan was just wrong.

              On lab-leak, Rogan pushed it hard based only on circumstantial evidence while Fauci thought natural spillover was more likely but didn&#x27;t rule out lab leak. I don&#x27;t think we&#x27;ll ever know for certain.

              1. ipaddr · · focus · HN ↗
                I think we know: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.whitehouse.gov&#x2F;lab-leak-true-origins-of-covid-19&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.whitehouse.gov&#x2F;lab-leak-true-origins-of-covid-19...
                1. guelo · · focus · HN ↗
                  Who should I trust, the extremely political Trump white house that never misses a chance to create division and attack perceived enemies. Or the scientists and even US intelligence agencies that disagree with each other and continue to debate the topic?
                  1. ipaddr · · focus · HN ↗
                    From my understanding this intel came from US intelligence agencies. I don&#x27;t think scientists are against this viewpoint. In fact many spoke out against the pengina &#x2F; wwt market theory.

                    You should believe the intelligence agencies.

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