There seems to be a coordinated and funded effort to spread FUD about AI and datacenters across multiple countries, including the US, Canada, and the Philippines. The most obvious source of funding would be China for a lot of reasons. Taking payments from a foreign government to attempt to influence Americans is against federal law.
This isn't necessarily some weird corrupt conspiracy.
Claiming that jews are somehow above the law or "the system" acts always in their favor because they somehow influence it is a classic antisemitic trope. You are being antisemitic, please stop.
None of those laws make it 'illegal' to boycott Israel, so you are just full of crap.
They require government contractors to not participate in certain boycotts, which is completely in line with long standing US policy. Doing otherwise would be insane, the government would be funding both it's own stated objectives and the opposite.
When the shoe is on the other foot you support this behavior. I don't see you crying over half the countries in the middle east forcing every company they work with to boycott Israel.
You clearly didn't read the thread at all. I was saying China is likely funding campaigns to discourage AI investment outside of china, and it is illegal to take such money. Then people came out of the woodwork to try to change the subject to Israel (you know, the Jewish state?)
I only replied that bringing up Israel out of nowhere in reply to a discussion about the US government and China is clearly an attempt to change the subject, and making false claims about Jews, especially when they fit the usual Elders of Zion pattern of "Jews control the world so they have different rules" is antisemetic, which it is.
It is literally a crime to refuse payments from Israel: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-BDS_laws" rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-BDS_laws
Clearly china made me commit such a heinous thoughtcrime.
Edit: and by the way, that's a total misrepresentation of what I wrote. AI companies are attempting regulatory capture to protect their business, which should be opposed by all means possible.
What you wrote had no content regarding AI, regulatory capture as protection of business, nor opposition to such action as a proposed course of action.
What you wrote was: "Unless that foreign government is Israel. Then it's a crime to refuse their payments." which is false on the face of it, anti BDS laws have still not been proven to be constitutional where they have been passed or proposed in a few states, and the wiki entry shows a significant lack of 'name the US Civil or Criminal Code' in any of the references; the only source of "38 states have passed" type wording is an article in an unsourced foreign publication.
So either you are not comprehending the state of anti-BDS legislation, or do comprehend it and are intentionally being misleading. There may be some regulations which prohibit the US gov't from accepting contracts or bids from organizations which are boycotting Israeli business but that is not the same as being 'illegal to boycott' by any stretch of an overactive imagination.
Also, this entire line of conversation has ZERO BEARING on the original topic which is about a particularly egregious misbehavior on the part of the US gov't. which has echoes of 1930's Germany's use of "National Security" to restrict freedom of the press and used that same premise in increments to restrict all manner of personal freedoms to greater and greater extremes without judicial oversight. The application of this approach is broader than the scope of AI conversation as this same approach has been championed by Trump staffer with a history of writing in support of those 1930's actions. This should be concerning to anyone with a mind to prevent repetitions of nefarious and malicious historical pretexts leading to loss of freedom.
There's nothing gained by adding unrelated and incorrect statements to the thread, and my prior comment stands. Posts from a less than 1 week old account with nothing substantive, useful or true in this conversation which is behavior consistent with long-standing troll farm noise here on HN. If you're not a troll account, then stop acting exactly like one. Otherwise, shut up and go away.
>intentionally trying to change the subject away from China
Which was kind of the point in my initial post. If this fresh account is operated in the US by a person receiving funds from a foreign government (i.e. from or on behalf of the CCP) then there is a requirement to register under the 1938 Foreign Agent Registration Act (FARA). The website for this is at : <a href="https://www.justice.gov/nsd-fara" rel="nofollow">https://www.justice.gov/nsd-fara
It's not illegal for a US resident to recieve funds for lobbying, but it is illegal to do so without compliance with the appropriate regulatory oversight.
You know it's possible to be critical of Israel with every breath, constantly bring it up whenever you can, and not hate Jews.
It's possible never stop talking about gays and how they are destroying society and constantly obsess over homosexuals and what they are up to without being secretly gay.
Exquisite projection. I mentioned israel because they're the single greatest violator of FARA since the law's inception, and it's extremely hypocritical for the current administration to chase Chinese ghosts while israel continues to walk all over our foreign agent laws in broad daylight.
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This isn't necessarily some weird corrupt conspiracy.
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<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben-Ami_Kadish" rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben-Ami_Kadish
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<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-BDS_laws#Anti-BDS_laws_in_the_United_States" rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-BDS_laws#Anti-BDS_laws_in...
Or just acknowledging that they exist?
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They require government contractors to not participate in certain boycotts, which is completely in line with long standing US policy. Doing otherwise would be insane, the government would be funding both it's own stated objectives and the opposite.
When the shoe is on the other foot you support this behavior. I don't see you crying over half the countries in the middle east forcing every company they work with to boycott Israel.
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I only replied that bringing up Israel out of nowhere in reply to a discussion about the US government and China is clearly an attempt to change the subject, and making false claims about Jews, especially when they fit the usual Elders of Zion pattern of "Jews control the world so they have different rules" is antisemetic, which it is.
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Or is he right that it’s a crime to refuse such payments?
Or is he right to make stuff up about Israel and use it to create a diversion when the topic was something negative about China?
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Why don't you use a non throwaway account and stand by your behavior?
Why is this tolerated on HN??
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Anti-BDS laws do not make it a crime to refuse payments from the Israeli government to influence Americans.
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Edit: and by the way, that's a total misrepresentation of what I wrote. AI companies are attempting regulatory capture to protect their business, which should be opposed by all means possible.
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What you wrote was: "Unless that foreign government is Israel. Then it's a crime to refuse their payments." which is false on the face of it, anti BDS laws have still not been proven to be constitutional where they have been passed or proposed in a few states, and the wiki entry shows a significant lack of 'name the US Civil or Criminal Code' in any of the references; the only source of "38 states have passed" type wording is an article in an unsourced foreign publication.
So either you are not comprehending the state of anti-BDS legislation, or do comprehend it and are intentionally being misleading. There may be some regulations which prohibit the US gov't from accepting contracts or bids from organizations which are boycotting Israeli business but that is not the same as being 'illegal to boycott' by any stretch of an overactive imagination.
Also, this entire line of conversation has ZERO BEARING on the original topic which is about a particularly egregious misbehavior on the part of the US gov't. which has echoes of 1930's Germany's use of "National Security" to restrict freedom of the press and used that same premise in increments to restrict all manner of personal freedoms to greater and greater extremes without judicial oversight. The application of this approach is broader than the scope of AI conversation as this same approach has been championed by Trump staffer with a history of writing in support of those 1930's actions. This should be concerning to anyone with a mind to prevent repetitions of nefarious and malicious historical pretexts leading to loss of freedom.
There's nothing gained by adding unrelated and incorrect statements to the thread, and my prior comment stands. Posts from a less than 1 week old account with nothing substantive, useful or true in this conversation which is behavior consistent with long-standing troll farm noise here on HN. If you're not a troll account, then stop acting exactly like one. Otherwise, shut up and go away.
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He is misinformed and intentionally trying to change the subject away from China though, and it worked.
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Which was kind of the point in my initial post. If this fresh account is operated in the US by a person receiving funds from a foreign government (i.e. from or on behalf of the CCP) then there is a requirement to register under the 1938 Foreign Agent Registration Act (FARA). The website for this is at : <a href="https://www.justice.gov/nsd-fara" rel="nofollow">https://www.justice.gov/nsd-fara
It's not illegal for a US resident to recieve funds for lobbying, but it is illegal to do so without compliance with the appropriate regulatory oversight.
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You know it's possible to be critical of Israel with every breath, constantly bring it up whenever you can, and not hate Jews.
It's possible never stop talking about gays and how they are destroying society and constantly obsess over homosexuals and what they are up to without being secretly gay.
It's possible. It is possible.
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I bid you shalom, as well.