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Toyota is taking the Corolla electric

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  1. freetime2 · · focus · HN ↗
    Cars that are designed from the ground up to be EVs tend to be much better than trying to shoehorn an EV into an ICE design.

    The new Lexus ES350e, which comes in both hybrid and EV flavors, has been pretty universally panned as a mediocre EV [1]. Lexus anticipates that the vast majority of ES sales will be for the hybrid model, and I expect the same will be true of the Corolla.

    The updated bZ and new bZ Woodland on the other hand, which are built as ground-up EVs on the e-TNGA platform, actually seem pretty decent. And I'm hopeful for the upcoming EV Highlander, too (although that will use a modified version of the TNGA-K platform).

    I would prefer if Toyota just released a new EV model with roughly the same proportions as the Corolla, instead of going with the one-size-fits-all approach. But maybe they'll finally be able to get it right this time.

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    1. hn_submit · · focus · HN ↗
      I agree that it&#x27;s much better to design an EV to be an EV from the ground up. The reality is, however, that consumers don&#x27;t want EVs for a myriad of reasons and prefer hybrids. And developing two completely different platforms is too expensive even for a higly profitable company like Toyota.
      1. maxdo · · focus · HN ↗
        It&#x27;s not consumers decision, it&#x27;s a dealers mafia. If everyone on EV, you will not change oil and other gasoline attributes repairs. If you have hybrid, it&#x27;s a cherry on the top, best of both worlds, pay for regular issues of gas and electric car combined :)
        1. sippingabonedry · · focus · HN ↗

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          1. xedrac · · focus · HN ↗
            Neglecting a cabin air filter isn&#x27;t going to make your EV fall apart. You can neglect that on an ICE too. Imagine how much worse these people would have it with an ICE vehicle - neglecting oil changes, oil filter, brake fluid, radiator coolant, air intake filter, spark plugs, valve cover gasket, power steering fluid, putting the wrong gas in, topping off with the wrong oil, etc...
            1. Amezarak · · focus · HN ↗
              For some time now, neglecting radiator coolant and power steering fluid has essentially no impact. (The service interval on my coolant is either 150k or 200k miles.) Power steering is usually electric these days. I&#x27;m not sure what would ever call for valve cover gasket maintenance, unless you&#x27;re removing it for some reason.

              &quot;Topping off&quot; with oil is not really a thing, generally, unless you have a very old car with engine problems. Nor can you put the &quot;wrong gas&quot; in, typically, unless you have some sort of specialty car that &quot;requires&quot; (you could get away with it for a long time) higher efficiency gas or you have a diesel - and someone who went the extra mile to get these will be aware.

              EVs also have brake fluid, so that&#x27;s something EV owners also have to pay attention to - but like ICE cars, you can pretty much can just ignore it. It&#x27;s not recommended but nothing is likely to happen.

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