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Toyota is taking the Corolla electric

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  1. apparent · · focus · HN ↗
    I was surprised to read the headline because this is going in a different direction than most car companies. For example, VW, Ford, GM, and others have been axing electric vehicles that they started selling a few years ago. They discovered that most people who wanted EVs had already purchased them, and the rest of the market wasn't interested enough to pay the price premium.

    Then I read the key quote and realized that Toyota isn't transforming the Corolla into an electric vehicle. They're simply going to offer an electric option. That's much less of an interesting headline, which explains why it wasn't chosen.

    > “Whether it’s a battery EV, plug-in hybrid, hybrid, or internal combustion engine vehicle―whatever the power source―let’s make good-looking cars that everyone will want to drive!” Toyota’s CEO said at the Japan Mobility Show.

    1. ManuelKiessling · · focus · HN ↗
      > For example, VW, … have been axing electric vehicles that they started selling a few years ago

      > most people who wanted EVs had already purchased them

      You should really reconsider where you get your information from.

      “Volkswagen reported more than 70,000 orders for its new Electric Urban Car Family within just a few weeks, while European BEV orders increased by more than 50% in Q2.”

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      1. apparent · · focus · HN ↗
        America, where they are pulling models. I have PHEVs and enjoy them, but I am aware that many people are not going to buy EVs with their current specs. Either they live somewhere cold, where range will fluctuate and not be sufficient at times of the year, or they live somewhere that has power outages frequently enough (or at times of emergency) that they do not consider pure EVs. This is especially true for people with only one car. Families that have multiple cars are obviously more open to having one car that&#x27;s an EV.
        1. syncsynchalt · · focus · HN ↗
          I don&#x27;t understand the argument, wouldn&#x27;t you _want_ an EV if you have frequent power outages?

          You could run your house for weeks off a 100kWh traction battery with V2G.

          1. apparent · · focus · HN ↗
            I looked into this and discovered that most EVs don&#x27;t support it, and the ones that do require even more electrical retrofitting to make it possible.

            The people I know who are afraid of outages&#x2F;EV usage are ones in CA, where an earthquake could knock out power, and they&#x27;d need to go a very long distance to get somewhere safe&#x2F;stable.

            1. stetrain · · focus · HN ↗
              If there&#x27;s a charging station with power within 200 miles then you&#x27;re fine. That&#x27;s a pretty big radius.

              If power is out in that large of a radius you would also likely have trouble getting gas.

              And you don&#x27;t need the expensive equipment to just run an extension cord from the EV to power critical appliances.

              1. apparent · · focus · HN ↗
                If there&#x27;s a charging station with power within 200 miles it will be overloaded by everyone freeing. There are way more gas stations than charging stations, and they only take a few mins per person, so they would not be nearly as overloaded. Also, there would not be a &quot;run on the bank&quot; mentality since everyone knows gas is pretty available, even in emergencies.

                As for powering critical appliances, I&#x27;d need a super long heavy duty extension cord to power my fridge, and I don&#x27;t even know if my vehicle is capable. I&#x27;d also have to have my garage door open while it&#x27;s plugged in, which is not ideal to say the least.

                1. syncsynchalt · · focus · HN ↗
                  Have you never been in a natural disaster? Gas stations stop pumping fuel when they lose power, until they can scrounge up a generator. Then they pump until they&#x27;re dry and don&#x27;t get a steady fuel supply for a week.

                  You&#x27;re saying there&#x27;s no &quot;run on the bank&quot; but they&#x27;re usually the third thing to run out during a bad hurricane, after milk and bread.

                2. rootusrootus · · focus · HN ↗
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                  1. apparent · · focus · HN ↗
                    I would need a heavy-duty extension cord because I would have to run it 60 feet from my garage all the way into my kitchen. I also have no idea how I would actually plug the fridge in because the power cord is hidden way in the back.

                    That it would be more convenient in the long run if I could backfeed to my panel, but almost no EVs in the U.S. are actually capable of this. The F-150 Lightning that you have is quite unique in this regard.

                3. stetrain · · focus · HN ↗
                  I have absolutely experienced the “run on the bank” effect on gas in areas under hurricane warning, as well as weeks afterwards.
            2. mook · · focus · HN ↗
              FWIW, it always requires retrofitting because otherwise you&#x27;ll kill the guy trying to get your power back. That, or power your whole block…
              1. syncsynchalt · · focus · HN ↗
                There&#x27;s a knife switch on my A&#x2F;C grid connection, can&#x27;t I just flip that?
              2. someonebaggy · · focus · HN ↗
                That&#x27;s a myth, it&#x27;s more likely you&#x27;ll just overload your generator or inverter by trying to power the whole neighborhood. And if it does work, the person who is fixing the power knows to check that it&#x27;s not live, and ground (short-circuit) it before touching it. If it&#x27;s live when he gets there, he&#x27;ll have to track down why and that will make it take longer to get the power on, and the power company may fine you, but not for attempted murder. Anyway it&#x27;s not going to be productive to try to power the neighborhood.
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