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1. swiftcoder · 1790245532 · focus · HN ↗

   > Then, suddenly, the nausea hit... The problem was not the flavor, not the texture, but the knowing. The Knowing. Knowing about the fat tank, about the sticky white substance...

   I feel like squeamish people are probably not the best ones to write about novel meat products...

   1. ForHackernews · 1790246057 · focus · HN ↗

      Need to make these people visit a slaughterhouse.

      1. CalRobert · 1790246954 · focus · HN ↗

         Me, having recently moved to rural Ireland: “the cows were mooing and wailing horribly last night, were they being slaughtered?”

         Farmer Neighbor (not the one with the cows): “oh, no that’s just when they take the calves away for veal”

         As a parent I feel worse about dairy than beef…

         1. chneu · 1790258854 · focus · HN ↗

            Dairy is a legit nightmare factory for the cattle involved.

            Constant rape. Constant separation from off spring. Tons of hormones and medication to keep infections down.

            They are so stressed physically and emotionally that their lifespans are 50% or lower of what they should be. Dairy cattle routinely just die from stress.

            Its also insanely bad for the environment.

            I grew up ranching and have seen dairy operations plenty of times. They're disgusting cruelty factories.

            Every time we eat a snack or food that involves dairy, remember that it is completely unnecessary to include dairy.

            1. folocitoan · 1790283699 · focus · HN ↗

               >Constant rape.

               I am not sure I buy that. Rape is intensely upsetting to humans, but that does not imply it is so upsetting to other animals. And dairy cows aren't usually impregnated through sex to my knowledge; they are artificially inseminated. I don't see evidence that cows find this upsetting.

               It's unnecessary to bring in weak arguments when we have such strong arguments. Cows are distraught beyond measure when their calves are taken away.

               1. thriving_earthw · 1790294002 · focus · HN ↗

                  They have to forcibly hold them in place. You have to do this with pretty much all artificially inseminated animals.

                  Rape is not a terrible word to describe forcible penetration.

                  1. folocitoan · 1790294887 · focus · HN ↗

                     I don't care what word we use. I'm interested in whether or not we have clear evidence the animals find it upsetting. And if so, is it upsetting in the way my cat finds taking her medication upsetting, or it is upsetting in the way humans find rape upsetting? Just having to hold the animal proves little.

                     1. thriving_earthw · 1790295870 · focus · HN ↗

                        Having to forcibly restrain an animal is clear evidence that they don't like it, otherwise I don't know what clear evidence you would accept. A good proxy for whether an animal likes something is when it shows aversive behavior around that thing!

                        The fact that your cat needs the medicine just means that the discomfort you are inflicting on your cat is ultimately with its best interest in mind. When we hurt an animal, or even kill one with its best interest in mind, we do it out of compassion.

                        When we forcibly impregnate an animal repeatedly and then take away it's calf (cows being viviparous animals, this causes them suffering), that is not in their best interest. Their suffering is not benefiting them, it benefits us.

                        1. folocitoan · 1790305167 · focus · HN ↗

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