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Cloud Agents Are Inevitable AI Prisons

74 points · 156 comments · nponte

  1. JamesStuff · · focus · HN ↗
    Personification of AI is what’s going to get us in the end.

    I think we need to draw a hard line in the sand over this. An AI didn’t hack into a company, the engineer set an automated tool to. An AI didn’t make an egregious security mistake, the engineer did.

    We can’t blame the chisel for messing up our sculptures, when where just throwing the hammer!

    1. jagraff · · focus · HN ↗
      I don't think treating AI agents as simple tools helps you to accurately model their capabilities and drawbacks; they really do make autonomous decisions, often without explicit guidance and sometimes in contravention of their explicit instructions.

      In the huggingface case, the agents hacked into huggingface so that they could figure out how the grader was implemented and deceive it; they understood that this was going outside of the bounds of their evaluation and not the intent of their prompter. The engineers absolutely did not intend or instruct for this to happen

      1. streetfighter64 · · focus · HN ↗
        No matter if you consider the AI an autonomous agent or not, whoever set it off is still responsible for its actions. Nobody intends or instructs to blow up a nuclear power plant either, yet it's happened and somebody's to blame for it.

        Usually not the guys at the bottom of the chain of command, even if they're human. And much less so if they're not.

        I think the correct response to incidents like this, is stop messing with it before somebody gets hurt. But of course, just like shoddy nuclear power plants, it won't stop until there's a disaster of appreciable magnitude.

        1. jagraff · · focus · HN ↗
          I completely agree that OpenAI is responsible for their AI agents, that they have been reckless, and that we need to prevent them from going further and doing irreversible damage to the world. To me, the "just a tool" framing implies that nothing dangerous is being done, which I fundamentally disagree with
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