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1. modeless · 1790190319 · focus · HN ↗

   It's clear Dario believes that the solution to AI's PR problem is to cure cancer. Or invent other revolutionary medical treatments. They're going to heavily promote every step along the way no matter how small or far away from commercialization they are, like this one.

   No doubt that curing cancer would help, but I think the timeline might be a little too long. Even RSI AGI will not be able to get new medical treatments to market instantly. Real world testing takes a long time and is an unavoidable part of the process.

   1. baq · 1790190821 · focus · HN ↗

      Dario would like to ‘cure’ aging. He’s got some personal experience with bad illnesses, but aging isn’t that. I also have reduced trust for people who want to live forever and don’t have kids.

      1. SwellJoe · 1790191119 · focus · HN ↗

         > I also have reduced trust for people who want to live forever and don’t have kids.

         I want to live forever (or until I'm bored of it) and I don't have kids. I'm not sure what that has to do with trustworthiness.

         Edit: And, you're saying you want to die. Is that more trustworthy than not wanting to die? I suppose if you are religious, you might believe you're going somewhere good when you die, in which case, you don't actually believe death exists, so we're having different conversations. I believe death exists and is permanent, and I'd like to not do that.

         1. bigfudge · 1790192134 · focus · HN ↗

            Not Op but there’s a inch of people asking why, and I have a similar feeling to op so here’s my post hoc justification for a weakly held and poorly supported prejudice:

            It’s really because statistically, in my experience people without kids are more selfish than those without. This is more in description than judgement, but it’s true in my experience. We can speculate as to reasons, but looking after kids does train a certain kind of selflessness. Agreed we might be doing it for ultimately selfish reasons (self presentational or for care in old age or whatever). But for a good chunk of the time, caring for kids seems to require the fairly consistent subjugation of personal preferences, and a degeee of perspective taking, that I just think people without kids don’t have. And that often shows in their interactions at work and in daily life. Obviously there are myriad exceptions. But it’s true enough in my experience.

            The wanting to live forever part also seems weird to me, and correlated with a certain sort of self regarding perspective. It seems obvious to me that I (or my generations) need to die for my children and grandchildren to have a good life. To try and subvert that also seems selfish or self important somehow.

            I’m not really arguing this is a correct or good or just position. It might be terrible! But it did resonate..

            1. orangecat · 1790203222 · focus · HN ↗

               The wanting to live forever part also seems weird to me

               Wanting to die after a handful of decades seems weird to me, especially if you're in good health.

               It seems obvious to me that I (or my generations) need to die for my children and grandchildren to have a good life

               That is very much not obvious.

               1. bigfudge · 1790235012 · focus · HN ↗

                  Boomer health and life expectancy is one of the issues western countries are struggling with now. Having GenZ pay for extended expensive retirements whilst simultaneously gouging them for artificially scare accommodation is the result. Now imagine everyone lives in perfect health forever. The incumbency effect for wealth and power is going to be overwhelming without pretty fundamental political and social change.

                  Perhaps you think that is possible? I hope so, but the evidence from octogenarian US politics isn’t hopeful.

                  1. orangecat · 1790361482 · focus · HN ↗

                     Boomer health and life expectancy is one of the issues western countries are struggling with now

                     Yes, because old people need expensive health care and are much less productive. Those are two of the major reasons to solve aging. (The third and most important being quality of life).

                     Now imagine everyone lives in perfect health forever.

                     That would be great. Medical costs would fall drastically, and the worker-to-dependent ratio goes way up.

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