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1. modeless · 1790190319 · focus · HN ↗

   It's clear Dario believes that the solution to AI's PR problem is to cure cancer. Or invent other revolutionary medical treatments. They're going to heavily promote every step along the way no matter how small or far away from commercialization they are, like this one.

   No doubt that curing cancer would help, but I think the timeline might be a little too long. Even RSI AGI will not be able to get new medical treatments to market instantly. Real world testing takes a long time and is an unavoidable part of the process.

   1. baq · 1790190821 · focus · HN ↗

      Dario would like to ‘cure’ aging. He’s got some personal experience with bad illnesses, but aging isn’t that. I also have reduced trust for people who want to live forever and don’t have kids.

      1. SwellJoe · 1790191119 · focus · HN ↗

         > I also have reduced trust for people who want to live forever and don’t have kids.

         I want to live forever (or until I'm bored of it) and I don't have kids. I'm not sure what that has to do with trustworthiness.

         Edit: And, you're saying you want to die. Is that more trustworthy than not wanting to die? I suppose if you are religious, you might believe you're going somewhere good when you die, in which case, you don't actually believe death exists, so we're having different conversations. I believe death exists and is permanent, and I'd like to not do that.

         1. nxc18 · 1790191779 · focus · HN ↗

            Do you not want other people to die and be replaced?

            1. GeoAtreides · 1790192149 · focus · HN ↗

               do these other people have a fertility rate of at least 2.1?
            2. SwellJoe · 1790192547 · focus · HN ↗

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            3. throw310822 · 1790197807 · focus · HN ↗

               How can you want for other people what you don't want for yourself? Why should other people die, for example of cancer, when having the chance I'll opt for the cure?

               1. nxc18 · 1790200950 · focus · HN ↗

                  I don’t want to live longer than a natural human lifespan. When I was younger and immature I did, but I’ve outgrown that. Death is as natural a part of life as birth.

                  1. SwellJoe · 1790201532 · focus · HN ↗

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                     1. nxc18 · 1790270386 · focus · HN ↗

                        I assure you it can happen as young as thirty. Or you can desperately cling to life until it is ripped away forcefully, leaving you in a panic.

                        I think early death is bad in the general case.

                        1. tripleee · 1790270974 · focus · HN ↗

                           What is an early death?

                           Life expectancy has changed a lot. In 1900 the life expectancy was around 40. A while before that it was 30. What will it be if we cure cancer, alzheimers, dementia, heart disease (the main killers of "old age")?

                           This sounds like you've just accepted that death is inevitable and you might as well not fight it, which is fair, but that's quite different from not wanting to live longer if the opportunity was available.

                  2. throw310822 · 1790217254 · focus · HN ↗

                     The question is not if you want to live longer. It's "when you'll get cancer, will you refuse the cure to get rid of it"? And when you'll be old and frail and full of aches, will you refuse medicines to make your mind sharper and your body stronger? And when you'll be a strong, healthy and sharp 95 yo, will you choose euthanasia because you've reached the natural human lifespan?
                  3. solenoid0937 · 1790218846 · focus · HN ↗

                     This is just copium. On your deathbed, offered the chance to live another decade with the vitality of your 20s alongside your loved ones, you almost certainly would not say this unless you were actually just suicidal.
            4. sebzim4500 · 1790199391 · focus · HN ↗

               Obviously not? What an insane question

               1. nxc18 · 1790200886 · focus · HN ↗

                  You would like Trump and Biden and their generation of leadership to be in power for the next 200 years? You would like for there to never be a disruptive new generation of people bringing fresh ideas and fresh thinking ever again? You wish to be encumbered by 17th century thinking and ideas for the rest of eternity because those people never died and grew set in their ways?

                  1. SwellJoe · 1790201457 · focus · HN ↗

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                  2. sebzim4500 · 1790204719 · focus · HN ↗

                     a) I don't want any of those things b) I don't understand why you think those things are necessary consequences of people living much longer c) Even if they were, I don't want 'fresh ideas' so much that I am willing to sacrifice tens of billions of people for them

                     1. nxc18 · 1790270156 · focus · HN ↗

                        > I don't understand why you think those things are necessary consequences of people living much longer

                        You’ve seen the consequences already of people routinely living into their late 80s and you think adding a few hundred years would make that better?

                        Yes, people should grow old and die.

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