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Italian parliament votes for return to nuclear energy

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  1. jacquesm · · focus · HN ↗
    I've seen quite a few SMR proposals over the last couple of years and not a single one that dared to address the whole cycle from deployment to eventual decommission as a function of the total revenues - costs to operate. Most of these projects seem to be made to bilk investors or governments rather than to actually produce power. The day Italy produces the first KWh that is net profitable to the operators without counting subsidies I will be highly amazed, and that's assuming they get to operational in the first place.
    1. asmodeuslucifer · · focus · HN ↗
      I agree, I tell everyone who will listen that no country, not Russia, China, Japan, France, USA etc has ever made nuclear power profitable. And you can't blame it on the environmentalists in China and Russia.

      That being said, many countries consider it a national security issue not to be held hostage to foreign oil.

      1. bdauvergne · · focus · HN ↗
        Maybe you could give numbers because french nuclear industry is completely profitable. If you like numbers like me: there were more subsidies to wind and solar energy the last twenty years in germany than the price of the whole french nuclear program (300 billions) since its inception (250 billions since the 1974).

        The reliability of french electricity benefits both France and Europe as a whole. I cannot say the same about what germany is trying to do.

        1. legulere · · focus · HN ↗
          > The reliability of french electricity

          Except for the winter of 2022 when more than half of French reactors were not running, which was especially critical because of the Russian War against the Ukraine. Coal reactors had to be reactivated in Germany so lights didn't turn off in France.

          Or summer when reactors have to be shut down because the rivers are too hot or running low.

          1. throw0101c · · focus · HN ↗
            > Or summer when reactors have to be shut down because the rivers are too hot or running low.

            Palo Verde is right next to the Sonoran Desert and has been running for forty years in Arizona heat:

            * <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Palo_Verde_Nuclear_Generating_Station" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Palo_Verde_Nuclear_Generating_...

            There&#x27;s no technical reason why nuclear plants can&#x27;t run in low&#x2F;hot water situations.

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