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Italian parliament votes for return to nuclear energy

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  1. jacquesm · · focus · HN ↗
    I've seen quite a few SMR proposals over the last couple of years and not a single one that dared to address the whole cycle from deployment to eventual decommission as a function of the total revenues - costs to operate. Most of these projects seem to be made to bilk investors or governments rather than to actually produce power. The day Italy produces the first KWh that is net profitable to the operators without counting subsidies I will be highly amazed, and that's assuming they get to operational in the first place.
    1. asmodeuslucifer · · focus · HN ↗
      I agree, I tell everyone who will listen that no country, not Russia, China, Japan, France, USA etc has ever made nuclear power profitable. And you can't blame it on the environmentalists in China and Russia.

      That being said, many countries consider it a national security issue not to be held hostage to foreign oil.

      1. stymaar · · focus · HN ↗
        > country, not Russia, China, Japan, France, USA

        Are you serious when putting France in this list? Nuclear is such a cash cow here that EDF manage to make profits even while being forced by the regulator to sell a big fraction of its nuclear capacity below the operating cost and buying it back to them at market price! (We're talking about a multi-billon subsidies scheme, look for ARENH).

        And that is despite (rather legitimate IMHO) regulatory constraints that have no equivalent in any other industry.

        1. tcfhgj · · focus · HN ↗
          If nuclear is such a big cash cow, why is edf in huge debts, state owned and suffering from aged power plants having issues?
          1. rightnutwingjob · · focus · HN ↗
            Couldn’t be because nuclear-hating bureaucrats have over regulated the industry?
            1. goodpoint · · focus · HN ↗
              No. Either it's profitable or it is not. It is not.
              1. rightnutwingjob · · focus · HN ↗
                You don’t believe markets exist in a political environment?
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