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Italian parliament votes for return to nuclear energy

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  1. adrianN · · focus · HN ↗
    It is sad that this has become a topic of the culture wars. Nothing good comes out of this, certainly not a rational weighing of the pros and cons of nuclear power.

    I’m particularly interested in how they plan to finance reactors in a grid dominated by solar. I wouldn’t be surprised if they legally allow the building of new reactors but then fail to find investors. But perhaps they plan on using them as some sort of strategic assets and will just run them at a loss?

    1. rayiner · · focus · HN ↗
      We need to increase energy output by an order of magnitude in order to upgrade civilization to the next level. Does solar offer a pathway to doing that today, once you account for the costs of battery storage?

      Nuclear, moreover, keeps us on the tech tree for space exploration. I don’t think solar is going to lead us to fusion or antimatter powered spaceships.

      1. Zigurd · · focus · HN ↗
        Sir I'd like you to step out of the car and breathe into this Kool-Aid detector.

        Planets aren't going to be colonized like colonies were on this Earth. Economic growth and prosperity have decoupled not only from fossil fuels, but it's no longer a function of energy consumption in general. Humans simply do not flourish without the Earth ecosystem. The future you paint here is only credible to 13 year-old boys who just finished their third Jerry Pournelle book.

        1. rayiner · · focus · HN ↗
          > The future you paint here is only credible to 13 year-old boys who just finished their third Jerry Pournelle book.

          My mom is in her mid 70s and grew up reading Jules Verne and H.G. Wells as a child in Bangladesh. She still imagines a Star Trek future is inevitable. If anything it’s Gen Z that has a small and narrow vision of what’s possible.

          1. hollerith · · focus · HN ↗
            Some of us don't share your faith in technological progress.

            And sometimes I think Star Trek did more damage to the world than Das Kapital did.

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