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Italian parliament votes for return to nuclear energy

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  1. jacquesm · · focus · HN ↗
    I've seen quite a few SMR proposals over the last couple of years and not a single one that dared to address the whole cycle from deployment to eventual decommission as a function of the total revenues - costs to operate. Most of these projects seem to be made to bilk investors or governments rather than to actually produce power. The day Italy produces the first KWh that is net profitable to the operators without counting subsidies I will be highly amazed, and that's assuming they get to operational in the first place.
    1. Al-Khwarizmi · · focus · HN ↗
      Why does electricity need to be profitable? Are roads, justice systems, or armies profitable?
      1. epistasis · · focus · HN ↗
        Why would we choose a more expensive form of energy rather than cheaper forms?

        There are good reasons to choose more expensive things, but "nuclear sounds cool" is not a good reason. There must be some sort of rationale and benefit beyond that.

        1. NiloCK · · focus · HN ↗
          Emissions.
          1. epistasis · · focus · HN ↗
            Batteries and solar and wind are a lot cheaper, faster to deploy, and scale a ton better.

            Nuclear is far too slow to solve our emissions problems, there's no chance of us being able to scale the nuclear industry to be able to confront climate change on the time scale necessary.

            In contrast, batteries, solar, and wind are scaling on their own, without the massive government subsidies that would be needed to deliver nuclear too late to help.

            1. Panzer04 · · focus · HN ↗
              Nuclear is actively negative-value too, because it discourages investment when people know that government-subsidised competition is coming.
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