I've seen quite a few SMR proposals over the last couple of years and not a single one that dared to address the whole cycle from deployment to eventual decommission as a function of the total revenues - costs to operate. Most of these projects seem to be made to bilk investors or governments rather than to actually produce power. The day Italy produces the first KWh that is net profitable to the operators without counting subsidies I will be highly amazed, and that's assuming they get to operational in the first place.
I agree, I tell everyone who will listen that no country, not Russia, China, Japan, France, USA etc has ever made nuclear power profitable. And you can't blame it on the environmentalists in China and Russia.
That being said, many countries consider it a national security issue not to be held hostage to foreign oil.
Peak oil was supposed to have happened decades ago but current projections put it well past 2050. Demand for oil is going to fall due to electrification long before we run out of sufficient oil production capacity.
It is clear at this point that peak oil was another failed Malthusian projection. I don't think peak oil is guiding much national policy aside from the national security aspects.
Yes. There's all kind of hydrocarbons that aren't economic or barely so, like oil shale or shale oil, with is rock with a stain on it.
Interestingly, Venezuelan extra heavy sour crude oil is not profitable to use at $55 a barrel, the price before the Iran war, but is profitable when it's over $90 a barrel.
It's easy to make money when someone else pays the costs but you get to keep the revenue.
This is wrong. The peak of conventional oil is documented around 2007. Since then, Europe's economy has been slowing down (if you look at physical indicators like how much is transported by trucks or what surface is being built each year, not artificial ones like the GDP).
Global peak is estimated to be around now (a few years ago maybe?).
Peak oil was initially believed to occur due to depletion - I believe that’s what the GP was referring to: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peak_oil" rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peak_oil
> we had a peak of conventional oil in 2007, I don't get why I'm getting downvoted for that fact.
I don't think you were downvoted for that; instead, I think you were downvoted for saying "This is wrong" when GP commenter claimed the peak oil has been predicted decade after decade. GP also just said "peak oil" not "peak conventional oil" so I'm unsure why you brought up that distinction?
A better reply might have been "Peak oil has been wrong decade after decade, but current projections are somewhere between 2025 and after 2050. Additionally, if we restrict it to only specific geographic regions, or to only a subset of oil extraction, it occurred in the mid-2000s instead of the original projections of between 1922 and 1960."
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asmodeuslucifer · · focus · HN ↗
That being said, many countries consider it a national security issue not to be held hostage to foreign oil.
palata · · focus · HN ↗
> That being said, many countries consider it a national security issue not to be held hostage to foreign oil.
Spot on. That, plus... peak oil.
jandrewrogers · · focus · HN ↗
It is clear at this point that peak oil was another failed Malthusian projection. I don't think peak oil is guiding much national policy aside from the national security aspects.
asmodeuslucifer · · focus · HN ↗
Interestingly, Venezuelan extra heavy sour crude oil is not profitable to use at $55 a barrel, the price before the Iran war, but is profitable when it's over $90 a barrel.
It's easy to make money when someone else pays the costs but you get to keep the revenue.
palata · · focus · HN ↗
Global peak is estimated to be around now (a few years ago maybe?).
no-name-here · · focus · HN ↗
palata · · focus · HN ↗
no-name-here · · focus · HN ↗
I don't think you were downvoted for that; instead, I think you were downvoted for saying "This is wrong" when GP commenter claimed the peak oil has been predicted decade after decade. GP also just said "peak oil" not "peak conventional oil" so I'm unsure why you brought up that distinction?
A better reply might have been "Peak oil has been wrong decade after decade, but current projections are somewhere between 2025 and after 2050. Additionally, if we restrict it to only specific geographic regions, or to only a subset of oil extraction, it occurred in the mid-2000s instead of the original projections of between 1922 and 1960."
<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peak_oil" rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peak_oil