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1. bpodgursky · 1790180661 · focus · HN ↗

   > Later in the evening Mia Heider tried to speak out about Flock during public comments about a housing issue. Police arrested her while Schrag looked on. “Sorry ma’m,” the mayor said as police led Heider away in handcuffs.

   I mean, what is the appropriate response to someone refusing follow protocol after giving guidance that there's a different topic at hand now? There was a comment session on Flock cameras, people talked about it, then they moved onto housing. You can't run a public meeting where people get to drag every issue back to their favorite issue uninhibited, it just literally doesn't work. The meeting would run 24/7/365 and still nothing would get done.

   1. someonebaggy · 1790181002 · focus · HN ↗

      Sure makes it awfully convenient to end a comment session when you don't want to hear what's being said. We are approving the budget for the death ray, do we have any objections? You have five hundred microseconds to object. Let the record show there were no objections. Guards, arrest that man for speaking after the time for objections has ended.

      1. Manuel_D · 1790181405 · focus · HN ↗

         The comment session was for an entirely unrelated issue.

         > Heider explained that she waited until the public comment period for a different issue, filled out a form to talk, and then got up to deliver a written statement about Flock cameras.

         It wasn't that the council disagreed with what Heider said, it's that what she was talking about was unrelated to the meeting.

         1. xboxnolifes · 1790182008 · focus · HN ↗

            It was unrelated because the entire session about flock was skipped.

            1. Manuel_D · 1790182162 · focus · HN ↗

               That doesn't make make it permissible to hijack other meetings. The point remains, she was not removed for simply voicing opposition to Flock cameras. The was arrested and removed for trying to derail an unrelated meeting.

               Someone going on the stand to rant about abortion during a meeting on sidewalk codes would similarly get removed.

               1. JKCalhoun · 1790182493 · focus · HN ↗

                  And arrested?

                  I doubt you are pro-Flock, perhaps you don't like civil disobedience?

                  1. dekhn · 1790182891 · focus · HN ↗

                     Many of us on this thread have experience with city councils and are anti-Flock and pro-civil disobedience. We're arguing with you from a point of praticality related to city business meetings. Practicing civil disobedience at a city council meeting is fraught with peril- for example, you're preventing other people from having their topics discussed/voted on. From my perspective, if your goal is to make actual change, getting arrested at a city council meeting speaking on the wrong topic is not a particularly effective method.

                     1. JKCalhoun · 1790194780 · focus · HN ↗

                        You could be right.

                        An alternative of course is to saw down the Flock cameras. I suspect people like the woman in the article though are trying to find legal ways to be heard—to elicit change.

                        Is there a legal alternative that you can think of that would be effective?

                        1. someonebaggy · 1790228504 · focus · HN ↗

                           Everything that works is illegal because it works

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