Woman Arrested, Dragged Away After Speaking About Flock at City Council Meeting
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Woman Arrested, Dragged Away After Speaking About Flock at City Council Meeting
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p_j_w · · focus · HN ↗
Two sentences showing precisely why no one can trust the police. Not only are they completely unaccountable, but they will trample your first amendment rights and do so with smug amusement in full public view. These are the kinds of people we're supposed to be happy to give massive surveillance power to?
Manuel_D · · focus · HN ↗
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burkaman · · focus · HN ↗
Manuel_D · · focus · HN ↗
In this particular story, Heider was using the comment period on an unrelated issue to voice her complaints about Flock. Hence her removal once it became clear she was not talking about the issue at hand.
> Heider explained that she waited until the public comment period for a different issue, filled out a form to talk, and then got up to deliver a written statement about Flock cameras.
At a high level it's the same thing: people trying to use public comment periods for protests, rather than actually engage with the topic.
Consider this: what if at every public comments periods, anti-abortion activists incessantly took the stand at unrelated meetings to rant about abortion providers? This becomes so pervasive that good faith community members who actually want to engage with the topic at hand have reduced opportunity to speak. Of course removal of the former is justified if they refuse to abide by the rules of the council meetings.
G0lg0thvn · · focus · HN ↗
Manuel_D · · focus · HN ↗
text0404 · · focus · HN ↗
Manuel_D · · focus · HN ↗
Someone going on the stand to rant about abortion during a meeting on sidewalk codes would similarly get removed.
text0404 · · focus · HN ↗
Manuel_D · · focus · HN ↗
She's only being denied the ability to speak in the very specific circumstance of a public comment period on sidewalk codes.
text0404 · · focus · HN ↗
From TFA: "There was a resolution before the council that would trigger a review of the controversial camera systems, but Schrag moved to send the resolution to committee and prevent public comment on the issue."
> Heider can go hold a protest against Flock in public
A protest isn't an equivalent substitute for a forum created for citizens to petition their democratically elected representatives. She and the others were there to discuss a specific policy that was supposed to be discussed at that time, and they were denied at the last minute. The opening salvo was the city council refusing to hear public comments, which many see as the main issue (and not that she broke a procedural rule).
Manuel_D · · focus · HN ↗
If the community is frustrated with the city council's decisions on public comments sections they can vote for different city council members.
joquarky · · focus · HN ↗
And then she will be told that they are busy and that petitioning should be reserved for city council meetings.
Have you never dealt with government bureaucracy?
Manuel_D · · focus · HN ↗