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1. Aurornis · 1790181534 · focus · HN ↗

   They really buried the details in this article. The opener leads you to believe she did nothing wrong because she briefly spoke during a public comment period

   > Mia Heider had never attended a public meeting before when she showed up to the city council meeting in Springfield, Missouri. After briefly speaking at a podium during a public comment period, she was arrested and dragged away in handcuffs.

   The details are toward the end. The council was trying to discuss a public housing issue and she was trying to use that time slot to bring up Flock.

   > Later in the evening Mia Heider tried to speak out about Flock during public comments about a housing issue.

   They cut off the mic and told her it was the wrong topic, she wouldn’t leave the podium, flipped off the council (it’s the photo in the article) and the police hauled her off the podium.

   There’s a real valid story in here about the city council sending the Flock thing to committee, but the article has been through the clickbait ringer so many times that they’re trying to make it sound like someone got arrested for saying “Flock cameras” during an open comments section, which isn’t true.

   Given the topic I’m probably going to get downvoted for bringing up facts from the article itself, but I’m really tired of this type of journalism where you can tell they workshopped this and carefully chose which important details to bury at the bottom of the story so it gives a different impression if you only read the headline or skim the first couple paragraphs.

   1. sippingabonedry · 1790185022 · focus · HN ↗

      It's objectively hilarious that the useful idiots so virulently angry about Flock look like the type of people that don't drive a car, so it makes you wonder what the fuss about ALPRs is and how it affects them.

      If Flock was used to enforce congestion pricing in the cities they ride bikes in, they would all be for it.

      1. SauciestGNU · 1790185627 · focus · HN ↗

         Don't act like flock is incapable of tracking bicycles and individual humans. The product may have been sold as ALPR but scope is creeping to total persistent surveillance.

         1. sippingabonedry · 1790186263 · focus · HN ↗

            But Ring cameras all over the place to deter the undesirables from stealing Tenga eggs off doorsteps are ok I assume?

            1. tavavex · 1790192427 · focus · HN ↗

               I love how you constructed an entire alternate dimension, a playground where you can argue with endless strawmen and look so good defeating them. Yes, all the people who oppose Flock are non-drivers despite the US being a car-first country, and these non-drivers don't care about the rights of others or encroachments in their general directions, and they all want to turn isolated toll gate cameras into a surveillance movement tracking network, and they even support individual surveillance via Ring. The hypocrisy of these millions of real people that totally exist. Useful idiots indeed.
            2. preg_match · 1790220323 · focus · HN ↗

               What could possibly make you think they’re okay with that?

               Are you under the impression that the groups who protest flock and the groups who protest Ring and Meta are two completely mutually exclusive groups, with no overlapping members?

               Why would you think that? If anything, I would assume that venn diagram is close to a circle.

            3. antonvs · 1790456397 · focus · HN ↗

               Drawing an equivalence between Flock cameras and Ring cameras only proves that you haven't thought about this issue at all. You're just repeating what you think you're supposed to repeat, like a bot.
      2. [deleted] · 1790186849 · focus · HN ↗

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      3. giantrobot · 1790232803 · focus · HN ↗

         > so it makes you wonder what the fuss about ALPRs is and how it affects them.

         Wow. Poe's Law in full effect here. I'm not sure if you're just oblivious or trolling. If you're oblivious do yourself a huge fucking favor and read up on what Flock is doing in addition to ALPR and how even that is abused by law enforcement.

      4. AlecSchueler · 1790239547 · focus · HN ↗

         What do people who drive look like?

         > they would all be for it.

         Would they? "They" being people you imagine don't drive (with whatever that implies to you personally, it isn't made clear) based on their appearance.

         Maybe take a step back and focus on what can actually be confirmed instead of leading with multiple layers of conjecture.

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