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1. p_j_w · 1790179654 · focus · HN ↗

   >The cop said, “You’re under arrest,” grabbed her arms, and pulled her out of the room. “I can do this all night. I get paid by the hour,” the cop added.

   Two sentences showing precisely why no one can trust the police. Not only are they completely unaccountable, but they will trample your first amendment rights and do so with smug amusement in full public view. These are the kinds of people we're supposed to be happy to give massive surveillance power to?

   1. Manuel_D · 1790179821 · focus · HN ↗

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      1. burkaman · 1790180054 · focus · HN ↗

         There is nothing in the article about exceeding allotted time, and from the video it seems like she had just started speaking.

         1. paulddraper · 1790181848 · focus · HN ↗

            The time was for speaking about building development codes.

            Contrary to what some seem to believe, public discussions are not open-mic night.

            1. JKCalhoun · 1790182029 · focus · HN ↗

               public

               discussions

               I guess I don't follow.

               1. dekhn · 1790183749 · focus · HN ↗

                  Yes, you don't.

                  We don't live in a world where words literally mean what they say without nuance or context. We live in a world where "public discussion" does not mean "all the people who want to talk about a topic of interest can disrupt a city business meeting". We also live in a world where the city council can table (US meaning) a discussion by sending it to committee.

                  Have you been to city council meetings, especially in places like Berkeley? They often go well past midnight and are filled with people just endlessly postponing important votes. These are business meetings that follow an agenda and the leaders have a significant amount of power to move the process along.

                  1. Manuel_D · 1790196243 · focus · HN ↗

                     You're entitled to freedom of speech. You're not entitled to an audience. If the community is frustrated with the city council's decisions on public comments sections they can vote for different city council members.
               2. paulddraper · 1790266291 · focus · HN ↗

                  While the discussions on council actions are accessible to the public, they have specific topics.

                  You can't just walk up and start promoting your coffee bar, or complain about how loud the neighbor’s dog are.

                  You can speak out about all those things -- the First Amendment protects that -- but not at whatever public city council meeting you want.

            2. [deleted] · 1790182318 · focus · HN ↗

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