Okay, I'll bite. What did he do that's racist and fascist. And please provide receipts.
For reference, here are the definitions:
racist: a person who believes that a particular race is superior to others, or who discriminates against other races
fascism: any right-wing, authoritarian, nationalist ideology characterized by centralized, totalitarian governance, strong regimentation of the economy and society, and repression of criticism or opposition
I'd say he crossed the line when he openly supported ethnic cleansing via remigration. I.e. deporting legal citizens that aren't the right race. If you don't think that's racist I don't know what it would take...
Before that I'd have said he was on the edge, but now it's pretty clear cut.
I'm lost... are you trying to argue that it would be ok for naturalized citizens of a country to be forcibly removed from the country where they hold citizenship if that country decides that they're the "wrong" race? On what planet is that ok?
1. Whether that is OK or not is unrelated to the question of whether it is racist to revoke citizenship on non-racial grounds. Which it clearly is not. (The "...the wrong race" is purely you).
2. As far as I can see, the position that DHH referred to did not apply to naturalized citizens, but to foreigners. So non-citizens.
3. As far as I know, most countries currently have laws on the books that can result in citizenship being revoked. As an example, countries that don't allow dual citizenship will take your citizenship away if you become citizen of another country. Germany and many other countries will take your citizenship away if you lied on your application and it only comes out later. Terror and treason are also common reasons.
4. Some counties (India for example) will even take your (naturalized) citizenship away if you are out of country long enough.
Both of these have a different definition of "remigration" than what you are using:
- deporting foreign nationals, not legal citizens
- deporting those foreign nationals if they have been convicted of a crime.
- nothing whatsoever to do with race, everything to do with (a) citizen status and (b) legally proven criminal behavior.
So: what you describe would be racist. What the article talks about that DHH was referring to clearly is not.
And please don't start with "dog whistle".
If you're going to accuse people of things, it does need to be them doing those things, not you interpreting.
If you can present clear evidence of him supporting actual ethnic cleansing, so not something that you somehow interpret as being equivalent, I am with you.
> Because the sacred cow here is not just that mass migration must stop going forward. It's also that millions who are already in Europe must go. Remigration has gone from a fringe concept to the mainstream discourse in record time on account of that realization.
> Remigration is a far-right concept referring to the ethnic cleansing via mass deportation of non-white minority populations, especially immigrants and sometimes including native-born citizens, to their place of racial ancestry.
He is very clearly talking about race.
There's no issue with acknowledging that cultural integration between different races can cause issues, nor is it unreasonable to limit immigration on that basis. It's completely insane to deport people who are now legal residents based on their race.
Obviously he's not going to say "blacks go home". He's too smart for that, come on.
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For reference, here are the definitions:
racist: a person who believes that a particular race is superior to others, or who discriminates against other races
fascism: any right-wing, authoritarian, nationalist ideology characterized by centralized, totalitarian governance, strong regimentation of the economy and society, and repression of criticism or opposition
IshKebab · · focus · HN ↗
Before that I'd have said he was on the edge, but now it's pretty clear cut.
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mpweiher · · focus · HN ↗
2. As far as I can see, the position that DHH referred to did not apply to naturalized citizens, but to foreigners. So non-citizens.
3. As far as I know, most countries currently have laws on the books that can result in citizenship being revoked. As an example, countries that don't allow dual citizenship will take your citizenship away if you become citizen of another country. Germany and many other countries will take your citizenship away if you lied on your application and it only comes out later. Terror and treason are also common reasons.
4. Some counties (India for example) will even take your (naturalized) citizenship away if you are out of country long enough.
mpweiher · · focus · HN ↗
Googling, I can find this:
<a href="https://x.com/dhh/status/1997275678555951451" rel="nofollow">https://x.com/dhh/status/1997275678555951451
Which refers to this:
<a href="https://www.bt.dk/samfund/brandfarligt-ny-maaling-viser-massiv-opbakning-til-messerschmidts-forslag-om-at-hjemsende-tusindvis-af-udlaendinge" rel="nofollow">https://www.bt.dk/samfund/brandfarligt-ny-maaling-viser-mass...
Both of these have a different definition of "remigration" than what you are using:
- deporting foreign nationals, not legal citizens
- deporting those foreign nationals if they have been convicted of a crime.
- nothing whatsoever to do with race, everything to do with (a) citizen status and (b) legally proven criminal behavior.
So: what you describe would be racist. What the article talks about that DHH was referring to clearly is not.
And please don't start with "dog whistle".
If you're going to accuse people of things, it does need to be them doing those things, not you interpreting.
If you can present clear evidence of him supporting actual ethnic cleansing, so not something that you somehow interpret as being equivalent, I am with you.
IshKebab · · focus · HN ↗
<a href="https://world.hey.com/dhh/three-sacred-cows-that-must-die-so-europe-can-live-1afb203d" rel="nofollow">https://world.hey.com/dhh/three-sacred-cows-that-must-die-so...
> Because the sacred cow here is not just that mass migration must stop going forward. It's also that millions who are already in Europe must go. Remigration has gone from a fringe concept to the mainstream discourse in record time on account of that realization.
mpweiher · · focus · HN ↗
Says nothing about (a) race or (b) citizens.
On the other hand, he specifically writes about "hard problems like cultural integration between wildly different ways of living."
So culture, not race.
So exactly as I wrote: he talks about non-citizens and you turn it into "race".
Who is the racist?
IshKebab · · focus · HN ↗
He is very clearly talking about race.
There's no issue with acknowledging that cultural integration between different races can cause issues, nor is it unreasonable to limit immigration on that basis. It's completely insane to deport people who are now legal residents based on their race.
Obviously he's not going to say "blacks go home". He's too smart for that, come on.
mpweiher · · focus · HN ↗
You are.