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Socialism's Positive Rating Tops 40% for First Time

70 points · 104 comments · karakoram

  1. yunwal · · focus · HN ↗
    In my view, it's not that socialism with a lowercase s as defined by worker ownership of the means of production has gotten way more popular, it's that "Socialist" has shifted to mean New Deal Democrat as the Democratic party has shifted towards being the party of business interests.

    If you look at what Mamdani, arguably the face of American Socialism, is doing in NYC, it's basically deciding to hold businesses accountable for breaking laws and noticing where markets have failed to provide core needs in the city.

    1. throwawayqqq11 · · focus · HN ↗
      > socialism defined by worker ownership of the means of production

      Thats not socialism. It's vaguely a redistribution layer on top of capitalism. The article contrasts S. with C. which is also wrong.

      Eg. inheritance tax does not restrict free enterprise, but the devil is in the details.

      1. anramon · · focus · HN ↗
        >> socialism defined by worker ownership of the means of production

        >Thats not socialism

        That is literally the most bare and core definition of socialism.

        1. throwawayqqq11 · · focus · HN ↗
          I jist checked the "bare definition" of socialism and a shiver went down my back when i saw the first eng wiki paragraph

          > characterized by social ownership of the means of production

          ... incorrect propaganda on the wikipedia.

          In the german article, its more accurate "there is not clear definition".

          Its a familiy of ideas around wealth distribution with many degrees of freedom. Its not incompatible to capitalism, like communism is. I gues the eng wiki article is meant trigger stereotypes with "means of production".

          1. anramon · · focus · HN ↗
            Ah, you are one of those.
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