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Socialism's Positive Rating Tops 40% for First Time

70 points · 104 comments · karakoram

  1. yunwal · · focus · HN ↗
    In my view, it's not that socialism with a lowercase s as defined by worker ownership of the means of production has gotten way more popular, it's that "Socialist" has shifted to mean New Deal Democrat as the Democratic party has shifted towards being the party of business interests.

    If you look at what Mamdani, arguably the face of American Socialism, is doing in NYC, it's basically deciding to hold businesses accountable for breaking laws and noticing where markets have failed to provide core needs in the city.

    1. throwawayqqq11 · · focus · HN ↗
      > socialism defined by worker ownership of the means of production

      Thats not socialism. It's vaguely a redistribution layer on top of capitalism. The article contrasts S. with C. which is also wrong.

      Eg. inheritance tax does not restrict free enterprise, but the devil is in the details.

      1. happymellon · · focus · HN ↗
        Cooperatives are certainly an implementation of socialism.

        What makes you think that they aren't?

        1. throwawayqqq11 · · focus · HN ↗
          Cooperatives are a capitalist mimicry of communism but not quite identical, but thats irrelevant.

          Socialism is a broad collection of ideas around wealth distribution with alot of degrees of freedom, which leaves enough room to confuse ot with communism, i guess.

          1. happymellon · · focus · HN ↗
            Cooperatives have nothing to do with capitalism. It is a democratic process for workers to control the organisation. Which may or may not have to fit into a capitalist society, but it is very much a socialist institution by definition.

            Are you sure you understand what you are arguing?

            <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.uk.coop&#x2F;understanding-co-operatives" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.uk.coop&#x2F;understanding-co-operatives

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