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Socialism's Positive Rating Tops 40% for First Time

70 points · 104 comments · karakoram

  1. elar_verole · · focus · HN ↗
    You gotta love that only 65% of the """leftist""" party's voters in the US have positive views on Socialism.
    1. OkayPhysicist · · focus · HN ↗
      The Dems have never called themselves leftist. They are quite eager to point out that they are the Neoliberal party: “We’re capitalist, and that’s just the way it is,” - Nancy Pelosi.

      Unfortunately, when you've got 2 choices, one being "Let's round up the pinkos" and the other being "Nothing will fundamentally change", the actual Leftists have to choose the lesser of two evils.

      1. elar_verole · · focus · HN ↗
        Yes agreed. That's kinda what I wanted to highlight. There is no real political pluralism for people in the US which must suck
        1. Taikonerd · · focus · HN ↗
          That's why we need voting reform: to make it realistic for new parties to form!
        2. krapp · · focus · HN ↗
          The right gets to be as right-wing as it wants and the left is stuck with pandering neoliberalism at best. Yes, it does suck.
    2. epolanski · · focus · HN ↗
      As an European I always found your left very conservative.

      In the most recent years I feel the same about our lefts.

      But imho left/right don't make any sense any more and have very little connection to their historical roots.

      Look at how the conservative party went into ballooning the debt and spending, something they have been historically very against. Or how European rights are more financially supportive of the poorest parts of the society than the lefts.

      Policies and trends are changing.

      Yet we're stuck in this nonsense bipolarism when every other adult has many thoughts on many topics that don't really overlap with either of the two poles.

      1. rhelz · · focus · HN ↗
        That's because we don't really have a left, not since Ronald Reagan. Clinton was more conservative than Nixon, and Obama was more conservative than Clinton.
    3. mwkaufma · · focus · HN ↗
      Dems' are a center-right party.
    4. anramon · · focus · HN ↗
      The "left" in the US is center-right anywhere else in the world.
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