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Tokens too cheap to meter

354 points · 227 comments · teoruiz

  1. jetrink · · focus · HN ↗
    > Tokens become cheaper than tool calls

    The author observes that a call to GPT-5.6 Luna is only 4-5 orders of magnitude more expensive than grep, and then predicts that at current rates of progress, calling an LLM will soon be cheaper than a grep. I think this is a good time to invoke Stein's Law: "If something cannot go on forever, it will stop." These efficiency improvements won't continue forever. It's more likely that the per-call cost of high-quality, compiled software like grep will be a lower-bound that LLMs asymptotically approach, rather than a line that they blow past with perpetual exponential progress. (Barring a true breakthrough in something like quantum computing or room-temperature superconductors.)

    1. sanderjd · · focus · HN ↗
      Yeah I bumped on that too. If it's possible to make llms cheaper than current grep, then it is also almost certainly possible to make grep cheaper.
      1. scotty79 · · focus · HN ↗
        depends on what you are grepping ... greapping a large file might be more expensive one day than generating n-th token with LLM that works fully in hardware

        you could make hardware implementation of grep and store the file itself next to it in some ROM but that's not a very useful grep ... while hardware LLM is exactly as useful as software LLM only orders of magnitude faster

        1. sanderjd · · focus · HN ↗
          Yeah it's a pretty poorly specified problem. It needs to be some kind of "equivalent task", but it's not clear how to define that.
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